Mark Dickerhoof is a senior ISE major and eminence scholar at The Ohio State University, cofounder of Best Food Forward at OSU, and management consultant at McKinsey and Company. Justyn and Mark discuss their trip to the wilderness to rejuvenate, level up, and realign with their missions.

They talk about nihilism v optimism, the meaning of the human experience being created inside ourselves, the importance of elegance over efficiency, and areas of their life they are looking to improve on.