Anand Giridharadas is one of the world’s most thoughtful and persuasive writers and thinkers and was one of our favorite guests when this podcast first started in the final days of 2019. He joined us last week during our celebration of Rumble surpassing 25 million downloads. He and Michael discuss the first several weeks of the Biden administration, the difference between "Scranton Joe" and "Delaware Joe," how Trumpism is a "revolt against the future," and looking ahead to how America will become a "superpower of color."