Tired of swinging the “compliance hammer” and hitting people until they submit to you? Would you rather be influential, and not dictatorial? Let's find out how you can with your hosts Kip Boyle, CISO with Cyber Risk Opportunities, and Jake Bernstein, Partner with K&L Gates.

See our previous episode on the subject of "buy-in" with our guest Michael Gregg, the CISO of North Dakota -- https://cr-map.com/podcast/171/