In this episode, Joel and Tim continue our discussion on space games. We deep dive into dramatic play and immersion, and discuss how the marketing points of many space games (things like universe scale, roles you can fill, etc.) are in direct conflict with the actual immersive experience of playing the game. We compare Elite: Dangerous and its host of imitators with games like Silent Hunter, Eurotruck Simulator, and Objects in Space, and discuss how those games successfully convince the player that they are inhabiting the space they are in. And, we talk about how the next generation of space games might be able to learn something from that.