You prayed for clarity, but what you needed was courage.
In Episode 2 of the POP Podcast, Mike and Charles sit down to talk about the showdown every leader eventually faces: when comfort and calling collide.

In this episode:

• Why discomfort is the tool God uses to develop you
• The "manufactured pressure" you create that isn't actually your calling
• Mike's drum pillow story
• The Stephen Furtick call and the Marked merchandise disaster
• The Land Rover confession
• Why Charles walked away from his own church plant
• Crying in the DSW shoe section
• What it actually means to be disciplined, and how it makes you a disciple
• The difference between needing clarity and needing courage

Mentioned in this episode: Mike's sermon "Cuffed to Comfort."
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