In this episode, Joanne attempts to resolve her guilt about play with Asia’s largest Barbie doll collector, Jian Yang (@jianyang1979). Join them as they break down the meaning and importance of play for adults and why we may have been setting ourselves up for disappointment all this while.

Warning: This episode contains discussions of subject matters that may be uncomfortable for some. It also occasionally contains strong language which may be unsuitable for children. Listener discretion is advised.

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