Martin Shaw chats with author and Boudicca incarnate, Jay Griffiths. They discuss their calling to the creative arts and Jay’s new book, Why Rebel. As they look back to lockdown and the ensuing pang of melancholy that comes with solitude, they realise that melancholy can make us self-forgetting and look beyond ourselves. This episode is for those seeking compassion in compassion-less times.

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A huge thanks to Ben Addicott for helping to produce this podcast

Violin music by John Matthias

Smoke Hole is published by Chelsea Green Publishing UK.