Why do IT organizations cling to ancient technology like Windows 2003, creating dangerous technical debt they don't even recognize? And how do they get out of this trap? Let's find out with our guest Anton Chuvakin, who advises the biggest customers of Google's Cloud services. Your hosts are Kip Boyle, CISO with Cyber Risk Opportunities, and Jake Bernstein, Partner with K&L Gates.

LinkedIn profile -- https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuvakin/

Podcast -- https://cloud.withgoogle.com/cloudsecurity/podcast/