In this episode of The Iron & Infrastructure Podcast, I sit down with Patrick Panayotov for a real, unfiltered conversation about leadership, business chaos, and what it actually takes to survive volatile seasons without losing yourself—or your company.

We break down why most businesses try to scale too early, how instability exposes weak systems, and why simplicity, clarity, and ownership are the real multipliers. From navigating AI disruption and leadership transitions to stabilizing operations before growth, this episode is about building something that lasts—without burning out in the process.

If you're a business owner, operator, or leader feeling the pressure of growth, uncertainty, or change, this conversation will give you frameworks, perspective, and real-world lessons you can apply immediately.

Key Topics:

• Stabilizing chaos before attempting to scale
• Why systems beat motivation every time
• Leadership under pressure and ownership at every level
• Using clarity, simplicity, and metrics to drive results

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