This conversation explores an often overlooked dimension of church leadership: the mutual care and shepherding that leaders must provide for one another. Drawing from biblical examples like Peter's restoration in John 20, Paul's care for Epaphroditus, and Christ's own model with the apostles, we're reminded that pastors and elders aren't exempt from the struggles of life—they're sheep who need shepherding, too. The discussion challenges us to consider how the busyness of ministry can create dangerous distance between leaders, leading to isolation precisely when camaraderie is most needed. We learn that true spiritual maturity in leadership isn't found in appearing to have it all together, but in the humility to walk through trials alongside brothers who understand the unique pressures of shepherding God's flock. The conversation emphasizes that relationships among leaders aren't optional luxuries but essential investments that strengthen the entire church body. When leaders intentionally spend time together—whether studying Scripture, praying through personal struggles, or simply being present in one another's lives—they model for the congregation what it means to bear one another's burdens. This mutual ministry prevents the relational suicide of isolation and creates the kind of earned trust that allows for genuine help in times of crisis. Ultimately, we're called to see these relationships as sanctifying graces that God uses to shape us into more Christ-like shepherds.