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Elizabeth Kipps an author of The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim your Healing Power. A health facilitator in areas such as stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. She is well versed in healing arts. If there is no pain, there is no gain.
To experience healing from within - mind-body and soul.
Episode Highlights
Elizabeth [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher.
Elizabeth [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument.
Ari [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness?
Ari [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that.
Ari [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through.
Resources and Links
- https://elizabeth-kipp.com
- https://CreateANewTomorrow.com
- https://www.facebook.com/arigronich
Full Transcription
Ari&Elizabethe1.mp3
Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down.
Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast.
Ari [00:01:00] Hey, everybody, this is Ari. Gronich with another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. And we are here with Elizabeth Kipp, who is an author. She is a health facilitator regarding, you know, stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. I mean, she is so well versed in healing arts. She also has a plant based plant science Bachelors of Science degree. So it's not just the woo woo that she does. She did. She incorporates and integrates both sides in order to take people from their painful lives and and help them. So she's written a book called The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. Elizabeth, so thank you so much for coming on. And tell us a little bit about what got you started in this work. And I know you had some health challenges as well. So what do you tell the audience where you came from so that they can kind of feel what's possible for them?
Elizabeth [00:02:08] Thank you so much. And I'd just like to say thank you for having me on. It's an honor to be here and to address your audience. Yeah, I came from Delaware back in the mid 50s, so that dates me right away. The mantra. There was a couple of things. One. No pain. No gain. I came from a family of athletes. There was no complaining about anything. And also there was a lot of denial of feelings. We don't show that stuff. We don't talk about it.
Elizabeth [00:02:42] And then and then the other thing was, which is, you know, you can see athletics, Ray. We were as children, my brother and I were expected to excel, not they didn't hope they expected. So you see, that's a setup right there, right?
Elizabeth [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher.
Elizabeth [00:04:21] This is this is to fix this. It's just like how did that happen, you know? So it's a testament to the tools.
Elizabeth [00:04:27] It really is. And the body wants to heal. It took me I hurt my back, but I got up from the accident when I was 14. I got up from the accident. I walked away. And because I had seen people get hurt at horse shows, you know, and the Olympics and stuff, I'd seen people get hurt. They ended up being taken away on a stretcher. I figured if I could get up and walk away, I was fine. I had no I it hurt, but I didn't know I'd broken a bone. Right. So I live with that for seven years. Wow. And then I finally was in enough pain at that point that I was like, I think maybe I need to see a doctor. And everybody wanted me to have surgery. I saw all the different back doctors. They all want me to have back surgery since the chiropractor. He said, I think I think we might be able to manage this for a while. So for another seven years, chiropractor was very helpful. Very I mean, I would kind of limp in there a bit over and I would walk out there dancing. So that's pretty impressive. And then about nine months after I had my my son, that slip became very unstable. And of course, you can imagine pregnancy. They had all said, you know, you can't have a baby. And I'm like, well, anyway, I advanced and I'm really grateful for what I did that that Kerry and then and then holding him and, you know, that just that kind of a heart on the back.
Elizabeth [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument.
Elizabeth [00:06:45] Yeah, that was the flaw in the argument. Anyway, I finally found a doctor who who was able to not only get me off the medication, which at that point I'd been on for the last 15 years of all that I was had been on fentanyl and out-of-band or Xanax. That's a kind of a deadly combination. So it's I mean, I lived through it.
Elizabeth [00:07:07] You know, I found Dr. Peter Prescott, who has since passed away, but he took me through his pain management program, Detox Me. And, you know, he said he he knew I could heal and I'd never heard that before. He was like, you know, I think maybe your medicine is causing your pain. And I'm like.
Elizabeth [00:07:27] Who are you? I never heard that. How do you know that anyway?
Elizabeth [00:07:32] And he all totally knew that my stress response was way off. And no doctor had ever talked about that before. So he hadn't even met me. And he knew what I was up to. So I knew this guy and knew something. And he I walked into that pain management program with a life to 59 years of gut painted, 40 years of back pain. And I walked out fifty two days later with no pain.
Ari [00:07:58] Wow, that is that is amazing. You know, since then, you've gone on to do some amazing studies and amazing things and to help other people with their pain.
Ari [00:08:12] So, you know, I like to, as you know, challenged the systems and the challenge to the system that you were in multifold.
Ari [00:08:22] It was a matter of drugging symptoms and instead of taking care of causes and then obviously those drugs suppress your ability to even understand.
Ari [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness?
Elizabeth [00:09:32] Great question. First of all, I have to make sure I understand the assumptions. You know, so this is the value of having a science training, right? I had that training and I remember all these doctors said to me, you will be. This is what they said. You will be in level seven out of 10 pain for their sheer life 24/7, and you will be in a wheelchair when you're 40. And I and my formal state succumb to that. And I burst into tears and I cried for a while. I cried for days. And I knew something was wrong with this picture. I just couldn't figure it out. And until I figure it out, I just kept crying.
Elizabeth [00:10:12] And I finally figured it out.
Elizabeth [00:10:16] Science, first of all, he'd forgotten his basic science. He was giving a prognosis. I had forgotten his basic science that we live in a world of probabilities, not it's not black and white. It's probable that. So he didn't even leave an open day. He didn't leave room for hope in there. The other thing is he forgot that the scientific method and lots of people don't know this is self limiting by definition. Science can only discuss talk about things that it can observe, measure and describe. Where we live, we live in the all that is and the science world lives in a part of it. The only part that he can observe, measure and describe. So where does healing happen? Everywhere. Science is only looking at the part that he can look at. So when I realized that, I was like, he's not a fortuneteller. He forgot his science.
Elizabeth [00:11:15] And I'm going to look everywhere for healing, not just here. And I it's not that I'm throwing doctors out. It's not about dissing doctors. It's about what are their assumptions and do they understand the limitations? And is there some some open mindedness there?
Elizabeth [00:11:32] So what are your assumptions and when when they make a comment like, hey, you know, you will be and you know, this is the only solution we have. An honest answer would have been. Yet the only one we have yet, you know, and the other one within. I'm not trained in chronic pain. You know, because they're not. And they they're only doing what they can. So there's a little bit of an ego thing. They're not really being honest about their training.
Elizabeth [00:12:06] And it would be nice if there would be some ownership of the limitation because, you know, the patient is there owning their stuff. And we'll be nice if the doctor and the medical people were owning their stuff. And that was what Dr. Peter was all about. He was about, you know, really relating to the patient and and being very clear about about where he was coming from and where the patient was coming from. You know, if that answers your question.
Ari [00:12:32] Yeah, absolutely. You know, I learned that lesson when my grandmother died because she was she had pancreatic cancer. And so she was given a death sentence and I was a master herbalist. I was young and I was learning all about shark cartilage. Right. And I said to my grandmother, why don't you take some shark cartilage and see if it helps?
Ari [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that.
Elizabeth [00:14:41] That would be the next question. The other questions that I would ask, because I've asked this before, I was having issues with my bone density and I was, you know, osteoporosis and my Western doctor, bless his heart, it's his training. I'm not dissing him. I'm just saying the training is the training. And that's your perspective. That's the best that they can do, just like your mom's doctor. Right. He said, I'm not going to get better. And they want me to take a big pharma, start these big pharma injections. And here's the question I asked him, because I'm I'm open minded. You know, I want to know the data. I kind of like I'd like to know what's out there. Yeah, absolutely. And I said to him, OK. Explain to me the biology of that drug. And he couldn't. And then I went on Google and I went to the to the company's Web site and they didn't have either. And I went back to my doctor and I said, you know, if you guys can explain to me how this drugs work, this drug works, so I could make some kind of an evaluation. I'm not taking it. That's an answer to that. You know, I just don't blindly trust these guys anymore. It's not like I'm being mean. I'm just being cautious. And I would like to know if the person I'm working with actually knows what they're doling out.
Ari [00:15:59] You know, it's it's a it's a funny thing. The fine line between, you know, I would never assume that not listening to somebody is being mean. I would assume that researching for yourself is taking ownership of your health.
Ari [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through.
Elizabeth [00:16:52] Well, Pub Med is a good is a good platform to go through. That's p b m e d is as you can actually get the research papers. I go to NIH to as well to the National Institutes of Health. I go to that Web site for papers. So I'm I'm I'm kind of selective in where I go. But here's the thing. Back in when I was in graduate school, I was in graduate school for environmental studies on top of my science degree. And I was gonna go into environmental impact statement stuff, that kind of stuff. At that time, the funding for basic research was just starting to dry up. We have very little funding nowadays for basic research. The research that's done anymore is done. It's very much company driven, corporate driven with corporate interests. And so we have to be first of all, we have to be able to know how to read a study. And that was one of the things I learned in graduate school, was how to actually evaluate a paper and a design and a study. And did they use the rights? That's and their conclusions. Correct. That kind of thing. And it's still hard for me and I and I've had training in it. So you're right. It's hard. And we so we have to be discerning about the information. We're looking at who we're listening to and really ask these questions. You know, do they really know what they're talking about or are they kind of winging it? Right.
Ari [00:18:17] You know, I'd I'd like to add to that that we have to be willing to listen to points of view that we don't necessarily agree with or have a preconceived notion about, because we can always go to somebody that has the same philosophy as us. But if we're doing that in an echo chamber and still getting the the results of ill health and disease, then we've got to be willing to open our minds and open our hearts to the possibility that there are other things out there. Yeah. So what I'd like to ask I ask this at the end of every interview is three things that somebody action steps that somebody can take right now. To shift and change their own health, their own minds. And, you know, activate their vision for a better world.
Elizabeth [00:19:21] Well, that would start with their world right now. Step number one would be pause. Stop what you're doing and drop into being. I find that my answers come in that space where there's not a lot of doing going on, where I'm dropping the mind and and really allowing the breath, my attention to come stay on the breath and and just kind of allow. Really important healing happens right in this present moment. So pause get present. The second thing is they get rigorously honest. You know, because a lot of us deny our experience, because it's because it's it's it's it's traumatizing lives has been traumatized. And we don't want to our art. We turn away. That's our natural biology, is to turn towards pleasure and away from pain. So we're really going against our own biological programing when we turn into are not so good experience. And then the third thing. Don't judge the moment you drop the judgment. It's not good. Bad. It just is. Right. That third position. Right. So we have we live in this dualistic werb world. Good, bad. High and low. Back. Forward.
Elizabeth [00:20:39] Down. What if we took the third position? Neutrality. Then you'd have a triangle and you'd have a firm foundation that says things.
Ari [00:20:52] Yeah, that is. That's awesome.
Ari [00:20:54] And, you know, just that that first thing that you stated is stop doing and start being. And we live in such a society that.
Ari [00:21:07] Rewards and values. What we do versus and the amount that we do versus the results that we're getting. So it's a procedure based world that we're living in versus a results based world. And so that is a really powerful lesson and thing to activate in yourself.
Ari [00:21:29] You can do that now. You can stop and just say, what am I thinking and why? And start being.
Elizabeth [00:21:38] Yeah. I wouldn't actually ask those questions. The mind is going to engage. Doing this, I would just. Where am I looking. And down into the breath. Right where the attention goes. The energy flows. It's it's it it's a tricky thing. And, you know, if you talk to brain scientist, then you probably have a few of them on your podcast. They'll tell you that with this thing that we're doing is doing, doing, doing, doing. We're wearing the brain out. When we do know is that the pawns and we go into what you know, some of your listeners are going to, oh, I don't even know how to do that or what is that meditation, which is we call it meditation. It's just being it's the most natural state that we are. It's also called meditation. The brain gets a chance to rest and heal. So it's really important that we do that.
Ari [00:22:33] That's awesome. So how could people get a hold of you if if they're interested in learning more?
Elizabeth [00:22:40] Thank you. Yes. You can get a hold of me at elizabeth-kipp.com. Or you can email me and Elizabeth. That's with a. [email protected].
Ari [00:22:55] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And we will have you on again. And for all of our listeners, you know, there are options. There are things that you can do to change the course of your life and to clear out the chronic pain, the trauma and the things that are blocking you from being who you want to be, really. And I hope that you've learned something here. And we'll have Elizabeth on again so that she can give you some more of her wisdom. Thank you guys so much for being on the Create a new Tomorrow podcast. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I wish you a healthy day.
Ari [00:23:38] Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you.
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Elizabeth Kipps an author of The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim your Healing Power. A health facilitator in areas such as stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. She is well versed in healing arts. If there is no pain, there is no gain.
To experience healing from within - mind-body and soul.
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Elizabeth [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher.
Elizabeth [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument.
Ari [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness?
Ari [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that.
Ari [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through.
Resources and Links
- https://elizabeth-kipp.com
- https://CreateANewTomorrow.com
- https://www.facebook.com/arigronich
Full Transcription
Ari&Elizabethe1.mp3
Ari [00:00:01] Has it occurred to you that the systems we live by are not designed to get results. We pay for procedures instead of outcomes, focusing on emergencies rather than preventing disease and living a healthy lifestyle. For over 25 years, I've taken care of Olympians, Paralympians, A-list actors and Fortune 1000 companies. If I did not get results, they did not get results. I realized that while powerful people who controlled the system want to keep the status quo. If I were to educate the masses, you would demand change. So I'm taking the gloves off and going after the systems as they are. Join me on my mission to create a new tomorrow as a chat with industry experts. Elite athletes thought leaders and government officials about how we activate our vision for a better world. We may agree and we may disagree, but I'm not backing down.
Ari [00:00:50] I'm Ari Gronich and this is. Create a new tomorrow podcast.
Ari [00:01:00] Hey, everybody, this is Ari. Gronich with another episode of Create a New Tomorrow. And we are here with Elizabeth Kipp, who is an author. She is a health facilitator regarding, you know, stress, chronic pain management, addiction recovery, meditation, yoga, ancestral clearing. I mean, she is so well versed in healing arts. She also has a plant based plant science Bachelors of Science degree. So it's not just the woo woo that she does. She did. She incorporates and integrates both sides in order to take people from their painful lives and and help them. So she's written a book called The Way Through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. Elizabeth, so thank you so much for coming on. And tell us a little bit about what got you started in this work. And I know you had some health challenges as well. So what do you tell the audience where you came from so that they can kind of feel what's possible for them?
Elizabeth [00:02:08] Thank you so much. And I'd just like to say thank you for having me on. It's an honor to be here and to address your audience. Yeah, I came from Delaware back in the mid 50s, so that dates me right away. The mantra. There was a couple of things. One. No pain. No gain. I came from a family of athletes. There was no complaining about anything. And also there was a lot of denial of feelings. We don't show that stuff. We don't talk about it.
Elizabeth [00:02:42] And then and then the other thing was, which is, you know, you can see athletics, Ray. We were as children, my brother and I were expected to excel, not they didn't hope they expected. So you see, that's a setup right there, right?
Elizabeth [00:03:01] Then you add sugar into the mix and you add a mother who was in chronic pain and using alcohol to mediate that deal. You know, really kind of a lot of social drinking going on, a lot of a lot of really addiction at that time. I lived in a very unpredictable environment in terms of I never knew when I was going to get in trouble because we had to be seen and not heard. And we had to perform. And, you know, all that comes a lot of pressure. I didn't. I had to work really hard to maintain a sense of I'm safe because I a lot of times I didn't I didn't actually feel safe. That's also a setup for chronic pain. By the way. So, you know, emotional, anything emotional in me. I was allowed to express. So that's a pressure cooker right there. Right. Then I had an accident when I was 14. I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my fifth Lamar. It slipped. It broke on the both transverse processes and slipped forward. And today it's sitting 80 percent forward into my pelvis and pulling the leg nerves with it. I have hardware in there and kind of the bionic woman. But. But they don't. Nobody really understands. The Western doctors really don't understand why I'm walking, let alone a yoga teacher.
Elizabeth [00:04:21] This is this is to fix this. It's just like how did that happen, you know? So it's a testament to the tools.
Elizabeth [00:04:27] It really is. And the body wants to heal. It took me I hurt my back, but I got up from the accident when I was 14. I got up from the accident. I walked away. And because I had seen people get hurt at horse shows, you know, and the Olympics and stuff, I'd seen people get hurt. They ended up being taken away on a stretcher. I figured if I could get up and walk away, I was fine. I had no I it hurt, but I didn't know I'd broken a bone. Right. So I live with that for seven years. Wow. And then I finally was in enough pain at that point that I was like, I think maybe I need to see a doctor. And everybody wanted me to have surgery. I saw all the different back doctors. They all want me to have back surgery since the chiropractor. He said, I think I think we might be able to manage this for a while. So for another seven years, chiropractor was very helpful. Very I mean, I would kind of limp in there a bit over and I would walk out there dancing. So that's pretty impressive. And then about nine months after I had my my son, that slip became very unstable. And of course, you can imagine pregnancy. They had all said, you know, you can't have a baby. And I'm like, well, anyway, I advanced and I'm really grateful for what I did that that Kerry and then and then holding him and, you know, that just that kind of a heart on the back.
Elizabeth [00:05:57] So I became unstable. I went and I it was the beginning of I had three surgeries over the next three years. Lot of pain. They put me on opiates and benzodiazepines, which to your audience is like the old version of out-of-band or Xanax would have been Dnipro Bammy. So that's kind of the old version, also known as Milltown. Back in the day I was on, that was their answer. I swear that was their answer for 31 years. You know, that was their answer. Opiates and Bonzo's and you don't get by on your wits. That was the answer. They didn't know how to heal it. And here's the pork important part. They never ask the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? They just assumed I wouldn't. That was the flaw in the argument.
Elizabeth [00:06:45] Yeah, that was the flaw in the argument. Anyway, I finally found a doctor who who was able to not only get me off the medication, which at that point I'd been on for the last 15 years of all that I was had been on fentanyl and out-of-band or Xanax. That's a kind of a deadly combination. So it's I mean, I lived through it.
Elizabeth [00:07:07] You know, I found Dr. Peter Prescott, who has since passed away, but he took me through his pain management program, Detox Me. And, you know, he said he he knew I could heal and I'd never heard that before. He was like, you know, I think maybe your medicine is causing your pain. And I'm like.
Elizabeth [00:07:27] Who are you? I never heard that. How do you know that anyway?
Elizabeth [00:07:32] And he all totally knew that my stress response was way off. And no doctor had ever talked about that before. So he hadn't even met me. And he knew what I was up to. So I knew this guy and knew something. And he I walked into that pain management program with a life to 59 years of gut painted, 40 years of back pain. And I walked out fifty two days later with no pain.
Ari [00:07:58] Wow, that is that is amazing. You know, since then, you've gone on to do some amazing studies and amazing things and to help other people with their pain.
Ari [00:08:12] So, you know, I like to, as you know, challenged the systems and the challenge to the system that you were in multifold.
Ari [00:08:22] It was a matter of drugging symptoms and instead of taking care of causes and then obviously those drugs suppress your ability to even understand.
Ari [00:08:38] Why you're not healing, but they're actually causing some of the further damage and the addictive tendency to. I need the drug, so I need the pain. So I need the drug. So I need the pain. It's like this vicious cycle, you know, challenging the system is also about challenging the questions that people ask. Right. So what were the questions that you've learned. To ask? What are the questions that you've learned to ask doctors as well as alternative health practitioners? Because I think that this will that'll be a really great thing for the listeners to understand is what questions do I need to ask my physician, my doctor, my therapist, whoever it is, so that I can get better results and get rid of the causes of pain and illness?
Elizabeth [00:09:32] Great question. First of all, I have to make sure I understand the assumptions. You know, so this is the value of having a science training, right? I had that training and I remember all these doctors said to me, you will be. This is what they said. You will be in level seven out of 10 pain for their sheer life 24/7, and you will be in a wheelchair when you're 40. And I and my formal state succumb to that. And I burst into tears and I cried for a while. I cried for days. And I knew something was wrong with this picture. I just couldn't figure it out. And until I figure it out, I just kept crying.
Elizabeth [00:10:12] And I finally figured it out.
Elizabeth [00:10:16] Science, first of all, he'd forgotten his basic science. He was giving a prognosis. I had forgotten his basic science that we live in a world of probabilities, not it's not black and white. It's probable that. So he didn't even leave an open day. He didn't leave room for hope in there. The other thing is he forgot that the scientific method and lots of people don't know this is self limiting by definition. Science can only discuss talk about things that it can observe, measure and describe. Where we live, we live in the all that is and the science world lives in a part of it. The only part that he can observe, measure and describe. So where does healing happen? Everywhere. Science is only looking at the part that he can look at. So when I realized that, I was like, he's not a fortuneteller. He forgot his science.
Elizabeth [00:11:15] And I'm going to look everywhere for healing, not just here. And I it's not that I'm throwing doctors out. It's not about dissing doctors. It's about what are their assumptions and do they understand the limitations? And is there some some open mindedness there?
Elizabeth [00:11:32] So what are your assumptions and when when they make a comment like, hey, you know, you will be and you know, this is the only solution we have. An honest answer would have been. Yet the only one we have yet, you know, and the other one within. I'm not trained in chronic pain. You know, because they're not. And they they're only doing what they can. So there's a little bit of an ego thing. They're not really being honest about their training.
Elizabeth [00:12:06] And it would be nice if there would be some ownership of the limitation because, you know, the patient is there owning their stuff. And we'll be nice if the doctor and the medical people were owning their stuff. And that was what Dr. Peter was all about. He was about, you know, really relating to the patient and and being very clear about about where he was coming from and where the patient was coming from. You know, if that answers your question.
Ari [00:12:32] Yeah, absolutely. You know, I learned that lesson when my grandmother died because she was she had pancreatic cancer. And so she was given a death sentence and I was a master herbalist. I was young and I was learning all about shark cartilage. Right. And I said to my grandmother, why don't you take some shark cartilage and see if it helps?
Ari [00:13:07] Because I was learning about this being something good for cancer at the time, that it was a big thing. That was a big pulled, big push for shark cartilage and it taking the shark cartilage and all of a sudden her numbers started to improve. And she went to the doctor and the doctor was like, what are these numbers and what have you been doing? And. Oh my goodness, I can't believe what's happening. This never happens with pancreatic cancer because it's it's a quick kill you. And, you know, it's like. Quick, quick, quick. She said, well, I've been taking this shark cartilage and that's the only thing I've done differently. And so it must be helping. And her doctor said, oh, that's stuff that doesn't do anything for you. You're just having a placebo effect. It does. You should just stop taking that and we'll figure something out that works. That works. She died a couple months later because she got so disheartened and believe, you know, she grew up in a world where you listen to the doctor, the doctor is the doctor is the authority. So you listen to them. You do what they say. And even now, prescription meds, doctor says, take this. What do you do? You take it. A therapist says, take this supplement. What do you do? Maybe we'll see how it does it. It doesn't have the same scripted value that.
Elizabeth [00:14:41] That would be the next question. The other questions that I would ask, because I've asked this before, I was having issues with my bone density and I was, you know, osteoporosis and my Western doctor, bless his heart, it's his training. I'm not dissing him. I'm just saying the training is the training. And that's your perspective. That's the best that they can do, just like your mom's doctor. Right. He said, I'm not going to get better. And they want me to take a big pharma, start these big pharma injections. And here's the question I asked him, because I'm I'm open minded. You know, I want to know the data. I kind of like I'd like to know what's out there. Yeah, absolutely. And I said to him, OK. Explain to me the biology of that drug. And he couldn't. And then I went on Google and I went to the to the company's Web site and they didn't have either. And I went back to my doctor and I said, you know, if you guys can explain to me how this drugs work, this drug works, so I could make some kind of an evaluation. I'm not taking it. That's an answer to that. You know, I just don't blindly trust these guys anymore. It's not like I'm being mean. I'm just being cautious. And I would like to know if the person I'm working with actually knows what they're doling out.
Ari [00:15:59] You know, it's it's a it's a funny thing. The fine line between, you know, I would never assume that not listening to somebody is being mean. I would assume that researching for yourself is taking ownership of your health.
Ari [00:16:19] So the only the only caveat that I have to that is we now have this thing called Dr. Google. That is it's it's like a maze upon a maze, upon a maze, upon a maze of information. Kubra misleading matter. What's true or not true? It just matters who's got the best SVO. Right. It's a problem. Hard for people to get a true answer nowadays because they have so much to weed through.
Elizabeth [00:16:52] Well, Pub Med is a good is a good platform to go through. That's p b m e d is as you can actually get the research papers. I go to NIH to as well to the National Institutes of Health. I go to that Web site for papers. So I'm I'm I'm kind of selective in where I go. But here's the thing. Back in when I was in graduate school, I was in graduate school for environmental studies on top of my science degree. And I was gonna go into environmental impact statement stuff, that kind of stuff. At that time, the funding for basic research was just starting to dry up. We have very little funding nowadays for basic research. The research that's done anymore is done. It's very much company driven, corporate driven with corporate interests. And so we have to be first of all, we have to be able to know how to read a study. And that was one of the things I learned in graduate school, was how to actually evaluate a paper and a design and a study. And did they use the rights? That's and their conclusions. Correct. That kind of thing. And it's still hard for me and I and I've had training in it. So you're right. It's hard. And we so we have to be discerning about the information. We're looking at who we're listening to and really ask these questions. You know, do they really know what they're talking about or are they kind of winging it? Right.
Ari [00:18:17] You know, I'd I'd like to add to that that we have to be willing to listen to points of view that we don't necessarily agree with or have a preconceived notion about, because we can always go to somebody that has the same philosophy as us. But if we're doing that in an echo chamber and still getting the the results of ill health and disease, then we've got to be willing to open our minds and open our hearts to the possibility that there are other things out there. Yeah. So what I'd like to ask I ask this at the end of every interview is three things that somebody action steps that somebody can take right now. To shift and change their own health, their own minds. And, you know, activate their vision for a better world.
Elizabeth [00:19:21] Well, that would start with their world right now. Step number one would be pause. Stop what you're doing and drop into being. I find that my answers come in that space where there's not a lot of doing going on, where I'm dropping the mind and and really allowing the breath, my attention to come stay on the breath and and just kind of allow. Really important healing happens right in this present moment. So pause get present. The second thing is they get rigorously honest. You know, because a lot of us deny our experience, because it's because it's it's it's it's traumatizing lives has been traumatized. And we don't want to our art. We turn away. That's our natural biology, is to turn towards pleasure and away from pain. So we're really going against our own biological programing when we turn into are not so good experience. And then the third thing. Don't judge the moment you drop the judgment. It's not good. Bad. It just is. Right. That third position. Right. So we have we live in this dualistic werb world. Good, bad. High and low. Back. Forward.
Elizabeth [00:20:39] Down. What if we took the third position? Neutrality. Then you'd have a triangle and you'd have a firm foundation that says things.
Ari [00:20:52] Yeah, that is. That's awesome.
Ari [00:20:54] And, you know, just that that first thing that you stated is stop doing and start being. And we live in such a society that.
Ari [00:21:07] Rewards and values. What we do versus and the amount that we do versus the results that we're getting. So it's a procedure based world that we're living in versus a results based world. And so that is a really powerful lesson and thing to activate in yourself.
Ari [00:21:29] You can do that now. You can stop and just say, what am I thinking and why? And start being.
Elizabeth [00:21:38] Yeah. I wouldn't actually ask those questions. The mind is going to engage. Doing this, I would just. Where am I looking. And down into the breath. Right where the attention goes. The energy flows. It's it's it it's a tricky thing. And, you know, if you talk to brain scientist, then you probably have a few of them on your podcast. They'll tell you that with this thing that we're doing is doing, doing, doing, doing. We're wearing the brain out. When we do know is that the pawns and we go into what you know, some of your listeners are going to, oh, I don't even know how to do that or what is that meditation, which is we call it meditation. It's just being it's the most natural state that we are. It's also called meditation. The brain gets a chance to rest and heal. So it's really important that we do that.
Ari [00:22:33] That's awesome. So how could people get a hold of you if if they're interested in learning more?
Elizabeth [00:22:40] Thank you. Yes. You can get a hold of me at elizabeth-kipp.com. Or you can email me and Elizabeth. That's with a. [email protected].
Ari [00:22:55] Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And we will have you on again. And for all of our listeners, you know, there are options. There are things that you can do to change the course of your life and to clear out the chronic pain, the trauma and the things that are blocking you from being who you want to be, really. And I hope that you've learned something here. And we'll have Elizabeth on again so that she can give you some more of her wisdom. Thank you guys so much for being on the Create a new Tomorrow podcast. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, and I wish you a healthy day.
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