Here in Aotearoa New Zealand we’d like to think that we live in a classless society. That anyone can “make it” and that opportunities are equal.

But today's guest, author Max Rashbrooke, has made a career out of unpacking uncomfortable myths such as this. He shows that there are indeed different classes in Aotearoa New Zealand, and that this affects how citizens engage with government.

During our discussion, Max makes the case for a deeper form of democracy and calls for Aotearoa New Zealand to join the wave of deliberative democracy that is spreading across the globe.

How exciting is that?

If you are ready to have your views of our society challenged a bit, this eye-opening episode is for you.

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