In this episode of the Stained Glass Kids Podcast, Yancy talks with Carl Barnhill about his life as a PK and the politics he experienced working at a Church himself. He knows all too well what happens when you see behind the scenes and the tension of both/and. Real life change can happen in the midst of drama and people being mistreated. Carl has wrestled with his faith to know what he believes and that has kept Him grounded in God’s faithfulness through it all. This conversation is about how ministers need a Pastor, Church Visuals and his heart to serve the Church.

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