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Ari Gronich 0:07  

And welcome to another special edition of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. I'm here in Denver, Colorado, and I'm talking to Kris Gieske, who is a strength and conditioning coach. He was a military vet who started his career helping to rehabilitate wounded vets as well. So I'm going to let him tell you a little bit about who he is and why we're here why we're talking.

Kris Gieske 0:37  

All right, well, my name is Kris Gieske our he said him, I am a strength conditioning coach. And I have a neurological background through Z health. And I got started in that through getting medically discharged military actually, to do a lot of back pain. A lot of hip pain, knee pain, shoulders, you know, different things like that. And the first time I went to this place called Life quest transitions, they had this big banner, right. And we're kind of almost voluntold to go have that term voluntold. So I went in there, I'm just like, okay, whatever. I don't know what this is all about. But they're talking about all this neurological training, and then doing a little bit of strength conditioning on top of that. And I met a friend and mentor of mine named Dr. Grove Hagen's. And he started just doing some ankle mobility work with me. And when I didn't have very much mobility in my back at the time, I could only bend, you know, just a few inches before I just had excruciating lower back pain. And after just doing a few like ankle drills, mobility drills, I was almost touching the floor. And for me, because I was like, there's no way that something so stupid could have worked so well, you know. And so over time, I started going there, and I got myself better. And I started feeling really good. And there's another program out there called the Mission Continues. And basically what they did is they let you volunteer, any nonprofit that give you a stipend. So I decided to start to work for life quest. And they allowed me to take the Z health certifications for free, which is amazing, because those are about two or three grand a pop, right, and being a veteran come out of the military, you know, you don't kind of spending money. So it's pretty awesome. And so then I started working there with a lot of veterans of PTSD and veterans that just weren't overall broken, because the military does what the military does, and breaks, you know, a lot of anti moving out of people getting really a lot of bad backs, knees, shoulders, and not only were able to rehabilitate them, you know, to go back to live with their families and cut their medications, like, by 80%, some of them Wow. But also, if someone got to return to duty, they didn't think they'd be able to return to duty. So that was pretty awesome.

Ari Gronich 3:06  

So, you know, being that you've been in the military, and then had to exit the military, due to medical, you know, issues and so forth. And we've all heard that kind of the system is broken, especially for vets. So what was your experience going through the VA programs, and trying to get yourself healthy? To where you weren't in so much pain? What was what was that experience? Like? What were the areas that you could see room for improvement? Let's say?

Kris Gieske 3:41  

Definitely, it's, it's like the normal medical system, right? You go in and they're like, here's some pain pills. You know, here's some end Said's, you know, or some anti inflammatories. And you take them and you don't feel any better and, and then all sudden, I just happen to stumble in this place called Life quest through a captain that was I was going through. It's called rear detachment. It's a special, you know, brigade that you're in as you're transitioning out. And he was like, hey, go check this place out. And I think there's a huge disconnect between, you know, not just like chiropractic, but also training, neurological training, there's a whole plethora of different modalities you can do to make yourself better that people don't realize exist.

Ari Gronich 4:32  

So, you know, what's your mission? Because, you know, really, this is all about having a platform for vets. And for, you know, really anybody who's suffering from pain and trauma and so on, to get results and get better. So, you know, what would be the things that you would say need to be fixed the you know, the solutions to some of These issues.

Kris Gieske 5:01  

So the solutions definitely is people that do like training, physical, you know, therapists and stuff like that, I think there needs to be better communication happens between trainers and that aspect, because I used to work for national Personal Training Institute, and the owner was like, hey, Ace just wants to know, what do you feel would be a really good, you know, type of program that they should start to implement. And I was like, you know, it'd be awesome if we could get personal trainers, strength conditioning coaches, corrective exercise specialist to be able to communicate a little bit better with doctors. So I think the communication, there is something that needs to be a little bit tweaked and fixed.

Ari Gronich 5:54  

Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about the way that that happens. Because you know, as I always tell chiropractors when I'm consulting with them is, you know, you need to train your massage therapist, and how to work with you how to work with their patients, in order to support what you're trying to do. Because if you get an adjustment, a half hour to an hour later, you're already back out of place. Because your muscles are controlling whether you're in place or not. So you got to train the therapist who's, who's there to support your patience, not just in a relaxation massage, but in how to specifically work on the anatomy that you need worked on, in order for you to get the benefit of the work you just did. Right? Yes, yeah. And that goes the same for being able to tell a personal trainer or a strength and conditioning coach or somebody like that. The same kind of thing. Okay, I have this patient here, who is not getting better from my treatments for three years, right? Yeah, maybe they need something different. And an add on, that doesn't mean not going to the chiropractor, or not going to the physical therapists or not going to the massage therapist, because this happens, no matter what the field is, right? The personal trainer doesn't necessarily want to send them to somebody else. The massage therapist, you know, thinks that they'll, they don't have enough money to work with both of them, you know, both them and somebody else. And so we're not doing the referrals, that really would get the patient better because of our own fears. Right? Yeah. So as as an audience member, you can kind of relate this to your experiences with being in treatment, being in pain, you go to first doctor, and they give you some pills, the pills don't work. So you have to go to somebody else. Did they? Did that doctor refer you to the other person? Or did you have to go find them through your friends and family? You know, what's the way that you got to them? And how do you know then that they're the ones that are going to be able to take care of your specific problem. And that's just an industry wide system wide issue, that it's really hard to educate a consumer or patient or audience on? Because it's can't be gotten to be incumbent upon you to really do your research on who you're going to. And it really should be a more of a referral system from one professional expert to another.

Kris Gieske 8:41  

Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. And you're talking about the fear thing, you know, for years, and I've never understood this Ari, like, for a long time, is that a lot of medical doctors will view things like chiropractic, like is almost Voodoo. You know, I'm saying like, that's a real stigma out there. Like even still, even though, you know, you'll get somebody that comes in, you know, just them they'll be out of pain and good. Or, you know, such as doing some of the stuff that I do with the brain training stuff. They're like, like, I've talked to a friend of mine, who's a orthopedic surgeon, you know, it's kind of like, brushes it off his video or whatever, but it's like, No, these, these are modalities that actually work and it's not like I've seen it with one or two people like I've worked with hundreds of patients, and all of them generally get something out of it.

Ari Gronich 9:36  

So let's talk a little bit about neuro mechanics and how they differ from biomechanics. And a little bit more about you know, how the brain because most people think I hit my thumb with a hammer, my thumb is throbbing. I am I have pain in my thumb. Yeah, right. This is the process in the brain, right? That the thinking brain goes through, I think, right? So what is the process and the actual body going through? Okay? And then what's the difference between the neuro mechanics, biomechanics? And those kinds of things, because what we want to give to the audience is things that they can learn that they can then start to do so that they can change their own world create a new tomorrow today for themselves.

Kris Gieske 10:25  

Absolutely, yeah. So the best way I get people to distinguish between their actual brain and the thinking brain, right, is I used to work with veterans, okay. So, my friend worked with this one guy, and he was bone off from the legs, you know, from the hip down, like he had no lower extremities whatsoever. And you'd be working with him, you'd be like, man, I just feel like my toes are being spread apart. Okay, this guy has no legs at all right? But what's still there? The map in his brain to that lower extremity, right? So another another way I can put this right, is if I had if you're a paraplegic, right, and I took a knife and I stabbed you in the leg, right? You just kind of look at me, like I was a jerk. You should write, but you would not feel any pain. Why? Because there is nothing going through your brain signaling to your brain, hey, something's going on. Right? And basically, what the brain does, is it does three things, right? It receives information, right? Then it or gets sent input right from your body, then it receives and decides what to do with it, and then it sends an output, right? And that output is either you know, I can move my hand through space and time, or how that hurts. Or, you know, glandular functions such as sweat, right? hearse are salivating. And if the input going in, is disrupted, right, it's going to send a poor output. Right? And basically, NZ have what they call a threat bucket. Right? So you have, you know, going through your day you have, you know, stress you have, you know, all these different things going in, right? Maybe bad movement patterns. And if you have enough of that nociceptor information going to your brain, right, detecting threat, you know, it's gonna say, I don't like this, I need this, you know, protect myself a little bit. And that's ultimately what pain is. It's a protective mechanism.

Ari Gronich 12:34  

I think that's an interesting thing for people to understand. Pain is a threat mechanism.

Kris Gieske 12:43  

Yeah, yeah, pain. I mean, your brain makes it makes you protects you, right? In a way it protects you is through pain. Right? It's almost counterintuitive. But if I had like, for instance, I'll take, for example, a guy that I've worked with, and he had rotator cuff surgery, and I worked with him after he was cleared with the physical therapist and everything. He just didn't have full range of motion. And he would get to hear right, and it would hurt. How, oh, right? Well, if he kept going there, what happens?

Ari Gronich 13:19  

It's kind of like a fly is in a cage, or a frog, in a cage jumping, jumping, hitting the ceiling, and then eventually, right doesn't want to go above this above that point. So you could eventually take away the ceiling, and you'll never run escape. Right?

Kris Gieske 13:38  

So what what eventually can happen as well as a pain loop, right? So people who are in pain can get really good at being in pain. So eventually, you know, it'll get to where you can't move here, and then you can't move in here, then you can't be here. So all we call do with him, right? Is I started doing just little motions, that didn't hurt, right? And then eventually it's like, oh, and he's able to go higher, and then higher and then higher, right? Because I reduce that threat to his brain. Right, that said, something's going on there. And I don't like it. Right? Because he was moving in pain free range of motion. That's okay. And, you know, there's obviously some strength instability that can be built up there too, as well. But ultimately, it's what's going on up here, right? How threatened isthis? 

Ari Gronich 14:25  

Right. And you know, the thing that they don't understand is happening is when they're going forward like that. your diaphragm is here, and your heart is here, your lungs are here, and you start crunching these down, you don't have as much deep ability to breathe deep. Your organs start getting crunched on and squeezed on and they can't function as readily and availably as normal function would be right. So, you know, everything is connected everything and we really need to get that you know, both For our physical bodies for the systems that we create, the environment we create, everything is connected. There's a great show series that I just watched on Netflix called connected. And it's all about how the world is interconnected. And it's a great series if anybody gets an opportunity to watch as you know, because it literally goes through like how the Sahara how the sand in the Sahara blows with the wind? And, and is the fertilizer basically has the nutrients and the whatever to grow all the plants in the Amazon. Oh, right. In I mean, South America, sand from here blows to there. How does the sand also help to stop hurricanes? You know, I mean, the interconnectivity of the universe and of the world of the earth of nature is so vast, yeah. And when we screw with it, like we've done in so many ways, and especially the last hundred years, when we screw with nature, nature will screw back with us. And we're, we've been getting the hard end of the screwing at this point. So is the money more important? Or is the screwing we're getting more important? Because we're allowing the screwing to happen for the gain of money, which is something we made up in our heads. Right? Something it's not so real, right? So I'm just giving you guys a little bit to think about your, you know what, we're going to end the call, you gave some great tips, Kris. Awesome. Where can people get ahold of you if they wanted to fly out to Colorado, and enjoy the snow and beautiful mountain air mountain

Kris Gieske 16:47  

there. So you can go to www.kgmaxfitness.com, it's kgmaxfitness.com. And you can find me there you can find our work and my phone and all that to schedule if you want.

Ari Gronich 17:03  

Sounds good. Thank you so much for being here. Kris, this has been another great episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And you know, just remember, the world is interconnected. What we do makes a difference and what we don't do makes a difference. And the things that we know are that our mind creates our movement, both emotionally, as well as physically. And if you want your mind and your emotions and your body to work in sync, and work more effectively and efficiently. Work on those visual keys. You know, work on that direction, work on your balance. You know, I have my son doing these great balance exercises like walking heel to toe on a straight line of the tile. He's six years old, we're building his balance up after a head trauma. Yeah, right. And it's difficult. You can try it. Go you know, look at a line on on your floor, a grout line or something like that. And heel to toe and try to walk on that straight line without falling over. And then he'll detail while looking forward, turning your head. See, again, some great, great tips. Anyway, thank you so much for being here. And this has been another episode. We are out