In this episode, Patrick Harders, LC, sits down with his longtime protégé and now award-winning designer, Andy Shumate. From humble beginnings as an installer to becoming one of the most respected lighting designers in the industry, Andy shares the real story of his journey—mistakes made, lessons learned, and the mindset shift that changed everything.

If you're just getting started or wondering what it takes to grow in this field, this conversation delivers real insight, honest reflection, and a look at what’s possible when you combine grit, curiosity, and the right mentorship.

* A must-listen for outdoor professionals looking to level up.

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