My guest for episode number 4 was retired NYPD Sergeant Pat Russo, Pat is currently the Director of the NYC Cops and Kids boxing program and the NYPD boxing team. The NYC cops and kids program allows children and teens to train for free while being coached by cops and former participants in the program at 3 gyms in some of New York’s rougher areas with a 4th gym on the way. Orginally established as a crime fighting initiative, the program has since produced over 100 NY Golden Gloves champions, 4 Olympians, 12 professionals as well as numerous Police officers, firefighters, Corrections Officers, teachers, soldiers, marines and has impacted the lives of hundreds if not thousands

Pat and I spoke about the program itself, the young people who fill their gyms, the benfits they get from it and the conditions that lead to such a program being desperately needed throughout the city.

In the second half we also discussed policing generally, the affects of “quaota” or statistic policing on communities, the concepts of “over” and under policing, the prohibition on drugs and rise in homicide in 2020 as well as the defund movement. 

This episode was recorded earlier in the year so any discussion of “the summer” refer to the summer of 2020 when NY exprienced a huge spike in homicide and gun crime

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