Tim and Steve cut through the fluff and get real about leadership and teaching. A leader isn't your friend or parent — their job is to push you toward your goals, even when you don't know what they are. Listening beats talking, every time.

They share stories about teachers who were tough but fair — the kind who demanded respect and made people grow.

They also talk about spotting potential in others before they see it themselves. That drive to push people forward is what keeps them passionate about teaching and leading.