This week, the gang changes pace and brings on friend of the show, Chris deWinter, to discuss ministry, pastoring a church in a Post-Christian (and Post-Modern) society, and being Josh's boss. So sit back, relax, and enjoy the podcast. And hopefully, you can learn something from these Second Rate Saints. Please leave questions, comments, or criticisms below! Want to contact us directly or check out our new book review page? Then come and check out our website at www.secondratesaints.com!