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Ari Gronich 0:08  

Welcome to another episode of creative new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me on Mohamed hammound. He is a loving husband, and father to three children. He's a heart centered leader, who's passionate about empowering leaders to unleash their potential by sharpening their emotional intelligence, fostering inclusion, and leading from the heart. Thank you for coming on the show, Muhamed. And why don't you tell us the audience a little bit about yourself and how you became this heart centered leader.

Mohamed Hammound 0:44  

Thank you for having me on the show today are a really a pleasure to be here. So how did I become a heart center leader? I don't necessarily believe that was intentional. Ever since I was young, maybe eight years old, I started becoming aware that what I wanted to do in life was to be in service of others. And that's not the language I used when I was eight, it was more of how can I make a difference? How can I do something that makes me happy makes others happy. And from a young age, I craved belonging I craved wanting to be amongst others and feel like I was one of them. Because I was an immigrant. I came from overseas lived in Canada, I had to change my name, I several times had to disinvest, myself of my Islamic identity, I became Western. And, you know, so becoming a person who I wasn't to please people who weren't like me, and starting to look like people who weren't like me. So I started to fit in, because, you know, you look at me, I don't look Mona Lisa, I don't look Muslim. And when I started using a mic, and then Miguel, and then Miguel, it was yours. It was I was, you know, into my adulthood, I was 25, before I came out of the closet and can use my Islamic name, and I could, you know, reclaim my semuc identities as Muhammad. Through that, throughout that journey from knowing that I wanted to make a difference, getting older and recognizing that we need a space where we can feel that we are part of the community where we live that we belong, that we're accepted. But what I started learning is if you don't accept yourself first, you can't expect other people to accept you. Nice.

Ari Gronich 2:21  

So I've told this story a few times. But when I lived in Los Angeles, my roommate was Palestinian Muslim. I am a Jewish, Buddhist, Catholic, you know, like religion study here. I've studied the Quran, I've studied Buddhism, I've studied Taoism, I've studied a lot of religions, Native American. But she and I, you know, as you can imagine, didn't necessarily agree on on a whole lot of stuff. But we agreed that we were brother and sister, and brother and sister sometimes grow up in completely different households, even if they're in the same house. So even my brother and I are very different people, we, we kind of made that same conclusion that, you know, we grew up in different worlds because of our perception. And our reality was was different, even though it was the same household. All of a sudden, the world opens up possibilities, in my opinion. So let's talk about that a little bit. Because I don't want to make this about too much about religion and culture that way, but it's definitely something that's present in our communities and in our countries. Right now. Very, very hardcore. So let's just talk a little bit about how how would you say you use emotional intelligence to bridge the gaps between diversity and culture.

Mohamed Hammound 3:51  

So that's what I spoke at. So I was two years ago, I was invited to speak at the weekend away TEDx in Traverse City, Michigan, my message was around reclaiming my identity. But it was more of extending that bridge, because we as human beings can become bridges. And my message was, you know, the people that have hijacked my name, for their political, you know, their political views that don't resonate with the rest of us. What they've done is they've hijacked my name, my religion, my beliefs, and they've used me as collateral. So the idea is that we don't have to your point, we don't have to be represented by that loud minority, however small they are. And I think the percentage is probably less than 1%, actually, But to your point, because they are so loud. And we tend to see more of the negative in society than we tend to look for the good as human beings, we tend, you know, even on ourselves, we tend to first focus on what brings us pain and anger before we look at what is bringing us happiness and fulfillment. So when we look in, in the community, we will look into society, we'll look at what's different, and when we see what's different. We don't necessarily see what's good about it. We don't See that we can be better and happier because of our differences and not in spite of them. But nobody told us you had to agree. So you and your Palestinian Muslim friends started from a place of commonality. And most of what, what the reason that we're here, I believe, is not defined that we all like chocolate ice cream, but to recognize that you'd like chocolate ice cream. And I'd like mint. I don't, it's the other way around. But the idea is that it'd be boring if we all agreed, and if we all believe in the same thing, and the beauty of is how we can recognize that diversity, diversity is a fact. But as inclusion is a choice, diversity is all around us in nature and human humanity and the way that we speak and the way that we love in the way that we love. And so we can't change that diversity, we have to recognize that a celebrated as opposed to penalize it, and we can, tentatively so with intention, choose to be inclusive, but even inclusion is not enough. What we have to do is to allow you and I sit at the same table, and when you break your bread, you hand it to me, you allow me to sit at the table with you and to be part of your communion. And it's a matter of allowing enough people as as the table so you know, it's making sure that there are empty chairs so that people can actually come and sit beside us. And you know, back, you know, in Palestine and Israel, people don't actually sit on a chair, traditionally, we sat around in a circle, and that circle is the circle of safety. And what we have to do to recognize, for us to grow and to recognize the differences make us stronger, is to allow the circle of safety, to widen, and for those that are on the outside, to come in, of their own volition, and to be part of the conversation to have their voices heard, to feel that they are seen, to feel that they are valued. And when we do that, when we when we allow ourselves to stand back and allow others, you know, or, you know, permit space for others to come in, we create that feeling of belonging. Absolutely. You know, you

Ari Gronich 7:00  

said something about circles. And I, I'm a circle theorist. And what that means is, there's not a single thing in nature, that doesn't have a circle shape. in martial arts, everything is about circle, you know, whether it's creating an energy bubble, or the movement being a circular movement for martial arts. Tribal living in a modern world is a book that I'm getting ready to, to write. And I'm going to do a series of these books. The first one is corporate, as a corporate one, it's trouble living in a modern world, the corporate culture revolution. And my theory is that if we take the sharp edges out of anything, and we turn them into circles, so let's, let's say in a corporation, you usually have cubicles, and that people are in and box offices, right. And it's a box building. Yeah, and if you took that and you turn it into a circle structure, then all of a sudden, and you could do concentric circles. So you know, small and then bigger and bigger and bigger, we end up creating project driven and productive teams, purpose driven teams, things like that, because all the people necessary for that project are in that circle. And they all have equal positioning. Right? So there's there's no place where that position the engineer isn't less than the accountant or more than than the managers manager then the you know, because they all have different unique talents. So why put one above or below another in a box type structure or a pyramid type structure? why not create it in a circular circular but I think that that goes back to what you were saying, you know, in Israel and Palestine and tribal living in general, we we would eat around a fire in a circle, talk around a fire in a circle, we would commune we would storytel we would, you know, do that. In the 50s and 60s and 70s. We would eat dinner with our family in a circle. And the circle has become sharp edged versus versus that nice soft circle with no sharp edges right? We don't do dinner with the family anymore. We we tend to be individually Even in our families, right, and that, to me is part of what has broken up the family which has broken up the community, which has broken up the society. And, you know, the purpose, I guess, of it has been, well, everybody's too busy to do anything together anymore, because you're working 40 to 80 hours a week, right? But just, if you can imagine a world that's circular, versus sharp edge, and how much print that might feel,

Mohamed Hammound 10:32  

and Isn't it amazing, the world is circular, we live and not maybe a perfect circle, but no Earth is a globe, the sun is a globe, the planets are circular. You know, everything that we know, to your point has some sort of structure where it's circular, the the the dimensions of how the blood travels within the body is circular. Everything has that circular. Now I, you know, I'll come later to to the idea of of spiral. But a spiral is another version. You know, when you talk about concentric circles, a spiral is a circle, that continues to grow, that continues to expand. And that is how I think we can take the image of a circle, not the square or rectangular head of the table leadership mentality that there is one leader at the top of the pyramid or the head of the table, but we are sitting around equally equitably around each other, across from each other. Looking at each other, we can hold hands with each other and most of the indigenous communities believe and the circle you mentioned, the campfire. So I think we are designed or created in a circular mentality to your point, we started dividing ourselves up into the compartments of the cubicle and the the boxes and the big buildings. And it's all about these sharp rectangular shapes that break away from what's natural and nurturing to us.

Ari Gronich 12:04  

Right. But I would love you did talk a little bit, and we can't do it tonight today. But I would love you to talk a little bit about the beauty of the Muslim religion because it eautiful rich, diverse culture, diverse religion, and it's nothing like what most people think, in the western police. So

Mohamed Hammound 12:28  

anyway, it's a it's changing, I think a lot of people are starting to see differently, because you and I are having these discussions because we are amplifying the the the silence voices that for the longest time have not had the opportunity to be heard. And that is why I think it's so important to to look at the alternatives to the media and the outlets out there. Because having you know, podcasts having opportunities where people can talk like this freely and share the different perspectives. That's where we're going to break with the silent majority and create a new minority of loud voices that speak a better truth.

Ari Gronich 13:05  

Absolutely. So let's give three tips or tricks that anybody listening can take with them and act upon today. So they could create their new tomorrow,

Unknown Speaker 13:16  

today.

Mohamed Hammound 13:18  

This isn't mine, this is probably gone. These are Michael Jackson. But be the change that you want to see in the world. I you know, don't reinvent, just be the change that you want to see in the world. Start with yourself. And in order to start with yourself, get to know yourself, you can't get to know others if you don't know yourself. And when you get to that place of constant knowing of you and the other, allow for those differences and recognize that we're stronger because of our differences not in spite of them.

Ari Gronich 13:47  

Awesome. Thank you How can people get ahold of you if they'd like to?

Mohamed Hammound 13:50  

So listen to this podcast listen to the unfiltered podcast I can share with you you know I have a training consulting business of desire the number two lead desire to lead I saw as the keynote speaking training people can get in touch with me through LinkedIn is probably the best place so Mohamed Hammound at LinkedIn developing unfiltered leaders there deserve there to engage in conversations and get to know the other. Awesome, thank you so much. I truly enjoyed our conversation.

Ari Gronich 14:21  

And thank you so much for coming on. And listen, a another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for listening. Remember to like subscribe, rate review and comments so that we can start conversations like this with you and hopefully create a new tomorrow today. Thank you and see you next time.