Dr. Liao is a physician and Associate Chair for Health Systems in the Department of Medicine at the University of Washington, where he is also the enterprise-wide Medical Director of Payment Strategy for UW Medicine. He trained in internal medicine at Brigham & Women’s Hospital and was a Clinical Fellow in Medicine at Harvard Medical School. He is an Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Leonard Davis Institute of Health Economics in the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.

Dr. Liao is a leading national expert in health care payment and delivery policy, generating seminal work on value-based payment models, leading large grant-funded projects, and providing expertise to national and state policymakers through a number of capacities, including service on the US Department of Health and Human Services' Physician-Focused Payment Model Technical Advisory Committee, as well as multiple state advisory groups for Washington state.

He has published 200+ articles, including over 150 in peer-reviewed medical journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine, the Lancet, the Journal of the American Medical Association, Health Affairs, the Annals of Internal Medicine, and the British Medical Journal. His ideas and insights have also appeared in outlets such as the Washington Post, Forbes, the Boston Globe, NPR, the Seattle Times, and the Philadelphia Inquirer.

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