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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me Matt javit. And he is an amazing person five time international sales award winner, hosts of amazon prime video show world barber shop adventures, author of police and brotherhood and uniform around the world. He's a culture ambassador. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit more about your story and how you got to this place of you know, being such a such success with large multinational as well as starting your own companies.

Matt Javit 1:04  

Yeah, thank you. I guess in that summary, you there's a lot of dreaming going on there and, and living out my dreams started off with in a humble beginning, my parents got pregnant at an early age. And so my dad had to join the Navy at age 17. And which started on my journey around the US as a Navy brat. Once at eight, eight schools, three high schools finished up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. But through that journey as a kid, I was pretty good basketball player and a good athlete which ended up turned into me being a division one basketball player. I finished up my my bachelor's at University of town of Greensboro as a academic, all American. And then I went on to get my master's degree down in Texas, why coach basketball and a junior college and and then started a small company, which brought me back to Indianapolis, Indianapolis was the favorite place for my parents. So when my dad retired from the Navy, they came back to India and it just made sense for me to get back closer to my family in running this this company with my brother, bartending at night hustling during the day, and net led into my wife walking in the door one day as I was bartending, I fell in love instantly. Her not so much. But I convinced her that this is a good idea. And we got engaged eight months later, got married eight months after that just celebrated 15 years. So I keep telling her it was the it was the right call at that time. And then her father helped me make sense that it wasn't a great idea for me to be a bartender and start my marriage with my wife, which led me into the mortgage industry had a great run in the in the mortgage industry before the recession hits. And then that changed everything. And thank God, I was recruited by a technology company to come in and start sales in the technology world, which I knew nothing about, struggled my tail off for two years, but outwork the competition and just just really worked hard to understand it better and yet, improve my skills. And then then hit a hit a hot streak, which led into me winning five international sales awards, working for this amazing global company, based out of France. And the coolest thing about working for an international company is when they do their sales incentive awards for the sales folks, they take us to amazing places. And in this case, we had a chance to go to Istanbul, Turkey, go India, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Cape Town, South Africa. And one year they came to Miami, Florida. And on all those trips, when they take the top 40 sales professionals, we can also bring our wives and our spouses. So Nicky went along with me. And we just, we just fell in love with travel, I was somebody that had a chance to see the United States. Because I grew up in a military home and also playing college hoops. I had a chance to go around the US and play in different college campuses, but never saw international travel. And I was blown away. It was just it just shocked me to the core. And I loved everything about it. And so we started setting huge goals to have a chance because every time we'd fly home on those trips, after 10 or 12 days on vacation like Americans have, I would always be dreaming about the next location, looking at the magazine in the back of the that little that little pant the pamphlets in the back of the airplane, and the seats and I would just sit there and just dream of those next locations. So we started thinking about like, what if we could do this full time? What if this is something that we could set out and pause our careers and just go live it and that's what we did? February of 2017 single backpack apiece. We left for a one way ticket to Santiago, Chile and spent 27 months traveling to 35 countries around the world and really just slipped out that dream and just had an amazing time doing it and it was it was such a blast.

Ari Gronich 4:55  

Wow. That is that's quite an adventurous You know, adventures story. You know, a lot of people are doing that nomadic traveling these days. And it's interesting to me because I believe that the only way to get out of our own heads and our own mindsets is to go see what the heads and mindsets are of other people, and to explore their culture, but not as, as an American, so to speak, exploring foreign culture, but more as somebody who's an anthropologist almost looking at that culture as something to study and admire and find interesting enough to have conversations with locals and so on. So that's always been an interesting thing. To me, everywhere I've ever gone it, you know, the attempt has been to not blend in, but ask a lot of questions about who they are and why they are the way they are. So, tell me, what was your most fascinating place on this adventure?

Unknown Speaker 6:14  

Well, it's, it's,

Matt Javit 6:15  

there's a wide range, because you look at a place like India, where we spent two and a half months, we were lucky enough to do it, I had a strong Indian friend base, before we left, so I had a chance to reach out and say, Hey, guys, I'm going to be in your country for for two and a half months, are there any places or friends or people I should see, and they begin inviting us to, to stay with their friends and family, we attended three weddings, we're just kind of in three weddings. So we had a chance to really dive deep in that culture. Because we were living in the homes a lot of quiet time, just talking in hanging out with people. So India, it was an amazing adventure. And anybody that's ever been into India understands that it's different. It's so much different than America. So it's, it really opens up all your senses. To be driving down the road, I was on the back of a motorcycle on like one situation with my buddy. And he just says, Hey, Matt, do you want to get fish for dinner? I was like, Yeah, that sounds cool. So he just pulls off. And there's a guy, clubbing, fresh fish that they just caught from a lake and skinning them and cutting them up, put them in a bag for you to take home. And that's that was dinner for the night. So things like that, where it's sensory overload on a regular basis. And you're really just getting to have a chance to, to just see things differently and just understand their culture a bit differently. So things like that. We also fell in love with Vietnam. The the, how nice everybody is there, the fact that their infrastructure is very strong, you can have some of the luxuries in the United States, but understand you're in a different culture, and how inviting in kind all those people are was amazing. So we really fell in love with Vietnam. So that was a, that was a star, our trip, six weeks in Japan really showed me what humility and kindness and thoughtfulness is like, the Japanese people are amazing people, and just how thoughtful they are, in every aspect of their life and how they treat people was eye opening. And that's the coolest thing about the travel is you fall in love with these countries. But then when you come home, you also understand the United States and what makes us special. And so that's why I'm such a big advocate of travel is not the idea that you're going somewhere. It's not just the fact you're going somewhere and knowing and understanding more about the world, but you're also appreciating the aspects of your own country as well, that might not be in other parts of the world. So that's, that's why I'm just, I really feel like people. And I know this next generation is going to do things similar to us, I know that they're gonna pause their careers, and go take on these adventures. And that's why that's why I wanted to document a lot of it, and put it down because I know that there's people behind us that understand that doing these experiences, is so much more important than having a fancy car, or having a better couch. Or you know what I mean? They're all these things that this consumerism built into us that we just want to push that, that Buy button so fast, instead of saving a little bit to take that adventure and do something crazy as this might seem.

Ari Gronich 9:25  

Yeah. I mean, you can't take the car with you. You can't take the house with you. You can't take any of those items with you, but you can take your memories with you and your salon. And, you know, we've gotten as a culture away from traveling because we've decided to create a lifestyle that is 40 to 80 hours a week of working and both partners working typically. So there's no Time in that scenario for these journeys and trips, and I think the US is, on average, two weeks a year of vacation. Yeah. While the rest of the world is more like a month to two months, a year of vacation time, and how is it that we get Americans to start traveling again? And I know, it's weird to say it in this particular time period where everything is shut down? It's a, you know, how do we get people exploring other people's cultures in a way that moves our culture forward as well. So, you know, I remember hearing a story about somebody who went to another culture, so he went to France, and was expecting the French to speak English, and was really upset that, that they weren't speaking English to him, and that they didn't like him because he was expecting them to speak English to them. And I found it interesting to, you know, I think that's probably happens quite a lot that we want them, them, the others, the people and the other places that should only exist for our benefit to, to, to conform to the way that we are, rather than looking at and appreciating and understanding that that culture and finding the beauty in in other people's cultures,

Matt Javit 11:45  

is that something that we saw brother, yeah, it's one of the most annoying things you can see on travel. And it's, it's for those people that think that way. It's like, why even Why go there, if you want the same thing you're experiencing at home, why even go introduce yourself to another culture, if you're going to, if you're going to require people to act like they do in Des Moines, Iowa, or wherever you're from, you want to become in understand that you go to a Greek dinner, the, they're not going to clear the plates off for three hours, and you're going to sit there with dirty plates on your table, while you have a long conversation over coffee, you know, I mean, and that's the coolest thing about it is you get to see like, while they're there in no rush to kick us out here, where in America, they're trying to flip the table to have somebody else sit in there, okay, with only having a certain amount of people in this in this restaurant at night. And they're not trying to get people in and out. Because they want you to enjoy the dinner and have a long conversation. And it's like, it's those things that you get to understand them and know them. And know like, why isn't the waiter coming back around? It's because the waiters, chillin, just let them relax. They're not like it is in America, wherever things go, go go. And it's when you hear people complaining on the road, when they're traveling. It does get annoying, and it's like, Look, man, you're in another country enjoy what this country is, and what's different than than America about it. And if you give it time, you're gonna fall in love with it. And we would see that quite often. And it when you talked about earlier about like kind of the conforming in fitting in to the culture. Fortunately, unfortunately, I'm six foot six. So I stand out wherever we go. And I look like an American dude. So they know, they know that I'm a foreigner right off the bat, which is great. And those conversations where they if they don't speak English, my first attempt always to break that barrier is to apologize for not speaking their language because I'm in their country. So if I don't speak their language, I'm sorry, I only speak English. Look at me, I'm an ignorant fool. Can you help me work through this? And then a lot of times, even if you try one or two words in their language, they might laugh at you a little bit, but then they'll at least work with you. But if you're somebody that says hey, do you speak English? Right off the bat? It's, it's already you're creating this dynamic of because then if they don't speak English, does that make them dumb? You see, I'm saying, Man, when you're in their country, they might speak Vietnamese first. So So why why would you ask them to speak English first? So it's a it's all how you approach the approach it and and really, just to your point, the idea of like you're in these places, take it in, appreciate the culture understand you're somewhere different. And that's why you book the trip in the first place.

Ari Gronich 14:28  

Yeah, so what do you think of choice zones versus the places that locals? You know, go I mean, it everywhere I go, anytime I've ever been anywhere. My first thing is I do not want to be where the tourists go. I want to be where the locals go. And so I seek out specifically, somebody who can take me to a local joints or a local place so that I can experience that local culture. But a lot of of Americans, you know, I call it the McDonald's tour, because we go from McDonald's in France to a McDonald's in Europe to a McDonald's in Israel, you know, like, like, how many different ways can we experience the McDonald's? Right. And, and we do that with more than just, you know, we'll go to the Hilton. Well, there's a lot of local kind of hotels that are completely different than say, a minute, I'm not, you know, it could be any of the major chains, but we tend to go to the places that we know, in our minds, how do you think we can, we can, you know, inspire people to experience more of the local kinds of experiences, rather than the tourist experiences that we've kind of set up?

Matt Javit 16:03  

Yeah, I think the first thing is the fear. Because that was the biggest thing people to ask us, as we were making this trip. Are you safe? Is everything okay? And it's like, Man, look in the mirror a little bit. how safe is your city? how safe is Chicago? I mean, I'll say the St. Louis, how safe is New York. So that safety barrier is always the thing that keeps them on resorts, and keeps people in those in those four walls wherever they are in the foreign country. And for me, it's like being get get through that and not listen to what all the media is trying to tell you. Because mostly what we hear from the media is when something bad happens, a tsunami hits an island. There's some sort of revolt against the government. So we're only hearing like the negative stuff around the world that happens that mainstream media wants to put out there because it'll get the clicks and views that all negative news gets. And so if you if you can, like climb through all that and try to find the truth in what's going on in these places around the world, you're gonna see a lot of beauty and a lot of amazing things happening outside of those resorts. And one of the coolest things that happened to me recently was one of my buddies that watched our journey from afar online. He listened to the bikes that I would give about getting out of the resorts and spending time with the locals. And he said, They recently went to Jamaica. And he said that we had an awesome trip down there. We spent, we spent almost two weeks on there, he said, but our favorite day, by far is when we left the resort, went to a local town and hung out with the locals at the local restaurants. He said, we came back with a bunch of phone numbers, and they're still texting us. And it was the by far the best day. He said, thank you so much for that advice, because it's going to change the way that we travel now going forward. And it's things like that. They're like, yeah, if you get, you can, you can see a beach coastline, anywhere around the world. And you would know, if you were in Thailand, if you were in the Philippines, if you were in Peru, if you just saw the waves coming in at a gorgeous Hilton resort, like you're describing, you wouldn't know where you were. But it's when you get out of that place. And you go walk around the town, and you meet the locals. And you you shop at their markets, you see the things that they're they're eating on a regular basis, how they barter, the idea that America doesn't barter for everything, anything in these places everywhere, everywhere else borders. So just that conversation of bartering. If they say it's $1 say it's, I'll give you 80 cents, and just go through that process. You're gonna learn so much about these places and, and really just fall in love with them even more than just sitting in a hotel or, or just drinking. But here's the thing is, is we have like your tribe in America, we have these two weeks off, right? So a lot of people are like, dude, I don't want to deal with that. I just want to go and sit on a beach and think about anything, and and then go back to the life that I have, where it's chaotic, and I get that. But if you're if you're looking to kind of expand your brain, expand your mind, and see, look at the world in a different way. That's what you and I are describing here. That's, that's what that that's the benefit you'll get out of this. But if you're somebody that's not trying to do those things, you're just trying to get two weeks away. First, they're probably not listen to your podcast. But those those people, they're in that they're in that engine, then never that never stops, they wake up and they're 70 in their life sober and they're they're saying what ifs These are for the people that you want to open your mind to do something different and look at the world a different way. That's what you do you go hang out with the locals and understand the cultural and the better.

Ari Gronich 19:31  

Cool, yeah, um, you know, part of me thinks that racism is not just ignorant of people, but it's a lack of understanding of other any kind of other right, whether that's an other culture another language another colored, you know, color of a person And it's based solely on fear versus knowledge. Because if you get to know somebody or know about their culture, it's really difficult I've found to dislike those people. You've been in place where, you know, like Turkey, where there is in that middle eastern zone, a lot of conflict. And the conflict that we hear about was not my experience when I was in Israel, for instance, where I went to Jordan and Lebanon. I didn't experience the same kind of difference that we see on the news. I don't know if you went there. I know you went to Turkey. But any, any chance that the differences between the people are not as great as the government's and the agendas and the media want you to think?

Matt Javit 21:05  

Absolutely. I think I think racism is just lack of exposure. And we we saw, and had conversations about racism all around the world. And it was when we were in Chile, they hated the Peruvians in Argentina, and then we were in Peru, they hated the Colombians, and it's in the Chileans. And then, and then you're in South Africa, as a white guy at the grocery store, the black app, the black checkout lady is looking at us a different way, until we speak, and they understand we're American, they're like, Whoa, you're not the same white guy that's usually here. So they're nicer. We experienced it everywhere. And it's one of those things where if you don't have exposure to a lot of the people in your, the frame of reference is one or two people, you're going to think about those one or two people. And that's why it was so important for me wherever we went was to be the smiling nicest guy in the room. Because I wanted, I never knew if I was going to be the last white American that they met, because a lot of places we went to were off the beaten track. And they weren't typical touristy spots. So if I would meet somebody, thinking, like, I might be the only American they ever ever met, you know, I'm gonna be the last American they ever made. And so if if they meet me, and they're like, that dude is nice. I know how this works. They're going like, all Americans are nice. Matt was awesome. You know, I mean, like, that's, that's literally how we think. So if you don't have if you don't have a lot of exposure, because I've met people, business business owners, that from a different generation, they say, all Indians are so smart. Because the seven Indians that worked for him in in environmental engineering, were wicked, smart people. But I was in India for a long period of time. I know, all Indians aren't smart. So it's like, whatever, if you only expose yourself to a certain group of people, and that is, and that's your exposure. And if you see all of them like that, then that's, that's when racism kicks in. But if you get exposure, you have enough conversations to understand like, Whoa, some people are good, some people are bad, that's across the board. Like all all the races and all the different people around the world, we're gonna have good people, we're gonna have bad people. And the more exposure you get to, to all those different parts of it, you're going to understand that, and most of them are really, really good people. There's just a segment of the population that sucks. And you try to avoid those people, and you hang out with the positive ones that are trying to do right by you. But we saw it everywhere on the globe, where it's like America is this only is the only racist place in the world. It's like, dude, you have no idea how racist The world is the entire world. And it doesn't make it right. It's just ignorance. It's just absolute ignorance. But it's everywhere, as as a human popular as a human species. We're so ignorant, to only to the only the exposure that we get in our little boxes that we live in, that we think that these are the things in it, the media is telling us nothing but negative stuff. And they're putting us in this volatile state all the time. Of course, we're gonna we're gonna see people a different way. And if they're telling you constantly that you're racist, then you're like, maybe I am racist. And then you see I'm saying so it's, it's a, it's a weird dynamic. And the only way you can overcome it is exposure. By by going to places you're not comfortable with getting uncomfortable, meaning people you don't normally meet, and then get your own truth, to understand that, whoa, we're all trying. We're all trying to make a little bit of money, have love in our life, achieve some goals, you know, I mean, and hang out with our families. It's it's the what we're all trying to do is not that different from each other, no matter where you go around the world.

Ari Gronich 24:51  

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was in Greece during the 2004 Olympics and Paralympics and You know, we're working, working the athletes out and everywhere you go, it's really controlled. After the Olympics were over. After the Paralympic, sorry, we're over I was I stayed about an extra week or two. Because I, I'm a kind of person when I'm working a thing. I'm like, 16 hours on those athletes there. There wasn't, you know, there wasn't an enjoy. I didn't actually see a single game. When I was there, though. I was literally 16 hours. And then finally when the days that I had off, I was on an island somewhere, but I went for a walk one day in Athens. So you've been to Greece, right? It's one of those. You've been so Athens, you know, Athens. I was staying in a Monia square. Okay. And so I walked to monastiraki and had some breakfast. So that's about a three mile walk.

Unknown Speaker 26:09  

Okay.

Ari Gronich 26:10  

And then right up there, and Mona's Rocky is, is the, the National Museum, which used to be, I guess, their parliament. And then they have that museum row. And so I started walking through all the museums. And in this one day, I just, I kept walking, for some reason, I just kept walking. And I start walking up this hill. And it's maybe five hours have gone by, and I'm still just walking and I see all of a sudden I see the this graffiti about the the workers, you know, blood and things like that. And then I start asking some questions, because I wasn't necessarily in the heart of Athens anymore. It turns out, I walked to ilio. Poli, which are really awfully I don't know how to pronounce, pronounce it exactly. But I walked to a whole other city, it was 20 something miles away that I walked that day.

Unknown Speaker 27:12  

Oh, my God.

Ari Gronich 27:14  

And all I kept hearing is the Albanians, the Albanians, they're coming in. They're taking our jobs, the Albanians. Yeah. And it just was like, it's like, everybody has their people and take their jobs for less money than they're willing to do it for. And then they complain and complain about people who took their jobs that they're not willing to do. And I just found it so fascinating. I also because it was 2004. We were there during the elections. And the campaigns, so watching the bush Gore, you know, shenanigans, and watching that on CNN, Greece, versus CNN, us, right, very different news. So is, you know, you just keep getting awakened to the idea that what you think, you know, is very controlled, very program, very different than reality. And, you know, just like when I was in Israel, and I watch the Palestinians and the Israelis, and the Jordanians and the Lebanese, and, you know, all pretty much living in a city that's no bigger than Lausanne or as a country, that's no bigger than the county of Los Angeles. And for the most part, completely harmoniously. And you would never guess that by watching any of the news. So, I just find it interesting when I've ever gone to other places. And you spent so much time and went to so many places that you get kind of an idea of different cultures and based on different geographies, I would imagine and so on. So, you know, I'm not going to tell you have you run down the list, but if you were down you did a couple Japan, you know, and, and so on In Vietnam, if you were to run down a list of places, and the expectation that you had and then the difference in the people based on the expectation that would be a really interesting thing for I think people to grasp. This is what I thought happened when I when I went to Vietnam, but this is my experience it with the local, okay, that kind of thing. So do that and also, I just want No, because you're six foot six, how? How much? Do you think that there's an intimidation factor of you in some of those cultures, like in Japan and China, where you're probably towering over every day by quite a lot? You know, do you feel like there's an intimidation factor?

Matt Javit 30:23  

So I had to overcome that. But it was it was cool, because I'm naturally outgoing. And I attempt to be nice, not now, if you see my resting face, it doesn't, I probably am a little intimidating. So I understand that. So I would try to overcome that by smiling a lot more often making a lot of eye contact, and let people understand that I'm not somebody to fear, but somebody to welcome. So I would, I would attempt to do that, because you're right, when I would walk into a room, Cambodians, Vietnamese, especially Southeast Asia, in and in South America, I would tower over a lot of people. And so instantly, there's there's a little bit of anxiety, but then I would try to overcome that just to make sure that they, they understood that I was there for all the right reasons. And to make it welcoming. So it actually, it helped me because it would have helped me break through walls rather quickly. And then I could get into that comfort zone, where then you're getting invited to places and getting asked to go to lunch and stuff like that. So it got it got it was actually a better for us. And then when it comes to those different cultures that really, really stood out Japan was number one, I had no expectations going to Japan. And just to see how amazing those people were in what's what's wild about Japan, the idea that I that I did stick out, and I experienced parts of Southeast Asia where I would have a lot of these stairs, especially like, if you're taking public transportation, you could tell that there's a lot of eyes on you. In Japan, they would not they would not look at me. Because of just how they how their society works is they knew if they were staring at me that that would be something like they were judging me. So they wouldn't do it. So for me, it was like hard to engage with the Japanese because they're just, they're just so kind of Bible that they wouldn't want to meet the like I was at a place. And they wanted me to feel welcome. So the Japanese really stood out to other good,

Ari Gronich 32:17  

sorry, do you think that the Japanese have kind of taken on political correctness, too, a whole different kind of experience, because I know that they're very, very careful to be considerate of your feelings of your experience of your have your experience, really, you know, very careful to make sure that you feel comfortable as an insider or an outsider, just in general in relation. Do you think that that's political correctness or just being socially you know, having etiquette?

Unknown Speaker 33:04  

I think I think so this

Matt Javit 33:05  

is, this is an uneducated, uneducated point of view, but the purity of the people where if you're Japanese, or Japanese, I mean, it's an island where the Chinese attempted to invade, but they've, they're pretty pure, on who they are. And I think that that is part of their awareness of a culture that they built upon. And spiritually, the Buddhism and the other forms of religion that they that they have there, in lifestyles they have are very Zen like and, and peaceful. And that's what that's what really stuck out with Asia, in Southeast Asia, is the different religions there, that are very harmonious and harmonious and just like calm and peaceful to see people walk the walk, rather than just talk the talk. And I know this is this is I hate to say that. So full military family. I love America. I'm diehard USA, I love our country. But there's certain things that you see elsewhere, that you're like, Man, I wish we could do that. And that's one of them is the idea that when you're in Asia, and the way that they practice every day, and they walk the walk of peacefulness, and not judging people and being being chilled out and calm. Some of the stuff that within Buddhism that really stand out, you would we would hope that we could do the same here instead of just talking about these subjects, and being holier than thou, but not living them. And it's more just, it's it's all conversational, but when you see people's action, you're like, Whoa, you're not doing it's kind like the whole COVID thing with the hilarity that with the governor's around the around the country like they're saying one thing but they're doing another it's kind of how we are as a culture a lot of times and when you're when you're in some of these other places. And it's really peaceful. And that was the thing about talking to my father on the trip, when we were in Tokyo. I was telling him that you don't know what it's like to be in a peaceful city, like a non violent city, until you're there, your body, your body doesn't understand it. Like, we're in Singapore, and Tokyo, like Tokyo, 30 million people making I walked home one night at like, 130 in the morning in Tokyo. And it's one of the things until, you know, like, you're like, I have no fear, I can walk to these places, and not have a fear to look over my shoulder, and think that somebody's going to get me or try to snatch something from us, your body doesn't understand what that feels like, until you're there. And you're like, Wow, this is so like, peaceful and calm. And I was trying to tell him like, you couldn't do that in any major city in America. You can't You can't walk home at 130 in any major city in America and feel like this is I feel safe right now. Um, and until you're there, it's it's so different. That's, that was just one of the some of the stuff that stuck out to us on this journey is like, people that walked a walk. It's, it's, it's nice. It's, it's calming.

Ari Gronich 36:10  

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, I was in Israel, and like said, and, and I saw, you know, a nine year old girl walking home. I don't know, it was maybe 10 o'clock at night. And I was thinking to myself, you know, when I was when I was younger, we would go out and ride our bikes all day on, we would go to parks, you know, I could have been 567. And I could have been gone all day, as long as I showed up, at kind of some prescribed times the freedom to move freely, so to speak, in my community. And now I have, you know, I have a seven year old and I wouldn't want him to be out riding or going to parks and places by himself. And it's such a shame that we as a society have allowed that to be the case, we, you know, it's like taking it back to ourselves, we allow everything that happens to happen. Because if we didn't allow it to happen, it wouldn't happen. Right? So if we didn't know how our communities to be so unsafe, they wouldn't be because we would control it. But you know, it's funny, I have this this talk that I'm going to be doing. That's really about bullies. My saying is silence is a bully's best friend. So I'm going to kind of go there on the cultures with you. And where did you find that the bullies were more prevalent, less prevalent in around the world, and how people react to those bullies and to the the systems because as you know, the show is a lot about create, you know, creating a new tomorrow, today, it's about how we can figure out that we made this shit up, and we can make it up better that everything in the world that we see is a construct of our imagination. And we can imagine it different. So when you're traveling around the world, if you if you were to take pieces from each culture, right? Where would you which piece would you take from where and where. And in order to make that jigsaw puzzle of the kind of world that you'd want to have that you'd want to live in?

Matt Javit 38:43  

That's amazing question. Um, first, I think like, we would we would in a different setting. Maybe you and I would debate over the topic of letting your sick kid play at a playground because the book thankfulness shows that it's safer now than than it's ever been. And it was true sistex would show that this COVID crisis has changed that a little bit because you're starting, you're seeing an uptick in in violent crimes, especially around our country, because I think they're just they're just unrest, people want to get out of their homes. And when that builds, then they do get out crazy stuff happens. So you're starting to see a little bit of that. But prior to that, we were getting safer and safer on the country. And the idea this is that I've got two eight year old seven year old nephews, and I'm kind of preach this to their parents on the reg is the idea that there's so many cell phones, there's so many video cameras out there. So everything you do is on camera now. So I think these these kids are much safer. And there's a fear component out there, but it's just the mainstream media. Go ahead.

Ari Gronich 39:46  

I have one one thought and I want you to address this one thought about that. Do you think that it's safer because more kids are inside on their computers laptops i write etc not that it's safer just that it's per capita maybe safer because there's less kids actually in the parks and in those places i walk around and i don't see kids on the block playing baseball in the street right i don't i don't see it

Matt Javit 40:27  

well we're in this we're in this crazy environment where if you're if your six year old kids walking by him him or herself to the grocery store like they do all around the world a parent might say who's where's your parent who you hear with if they're like no i'm just going to the grocery store some some crazy helicopter parent might say well no that is illegal we've got to call the authorities so i think there's like this spirit component and parents that say we can't let our kids do the things that we did because i'm with you man i was just having this conversation with a mom where me and my brother would just disappear on our bikes for the entire day the idea that i had a paper out very young 910 years old like these things that like we had like jobs and they have you seen the movie donut king yep it's an awesome movie yeah but the cambodians that came over and and started the chain of donut donut chains on the on the west coast and you look at those kids they were in the donut shop working at age 567 years old and it's it's this mentality and we saw it all around the world where we'd see it was a seven year old kid in waikiki ecuador ecuador selling roses out of his backpack there was there was kids in india on selling goods at age six and seven with with no parents around them on the streets it was everywhere and then you come to america and kids can go to the their mailbox down the street without some sort of guidance it's insanity and it's i think we're doing our kids an injustice by taking away these freedoms early in life and just not just just building that resourcefulness teach them in a certain way and teach them how to get out of scenarios because they're out there there's there's evil people out there that want to harm children but i think that there's ways that we can do it especially as a community if you're talking to people say hey let my kid do this be aware if you see him or her if anybody's around them and be aware but it's that's a i'm sorry for getting on that tangent i just it honestly as a somebody without kids i understand when i look at things as an uncle and as if i was to look at as a father it probably be so much different than then if i had my own children so that's why i always i know the line that i can't cross but i when we saw the things we did with children around the world you can it's a stark contrast of how we handle kids in america in the freedoms that that in really the hustle because that's what stuck out in that movie the donut king is the hustle that you build in those young kids the desire to work really hard to achieve something and you see you saw that with all the different donut shop owners in that movie that it as they got older in life they achieve amazing things and i think that we build that into our kids that hustle mentality that it helps them

Ari Gronich 43:18  

do you think that the midwest is still doing that with you know so to speak the farmers and their kids still doing the work on the farm versus you know nowadays we have the big agro which requires hazmat suits versus you know straw up in and overalls but you know are there places here in america where that is still happening and you know it's interesting i would want to see a study and say okay places where that's happening in the us here's the success rate and here's the happiness you know factor and here's

Matt Javit 44:01  

what all this has happened so fast though you know i mean right it's all because all this is the technology in the last 20 years is what's really it's not only it's i think it's both the mainstream media and the social medias focused on these topics that are beer monitoring people to change how they how they handle their children it's also the idea that kids love to play games and they wouldn't it's much it's it seems to be easier to parent when you give your kid a device or a game to have them go play game for three hours then go take them to the park for three hours so it seems like it's it's both a great babysitter babysitter and extremely entertaining and there's value in gaming i think that i think that we discount the value in gaming quite often especially with what's happening in the future is that we a lot of people tend to just look at gaming as As dumb time wasted were one of those that if they're playing the right games, there's a lot of problem solving involved as well. So what is what can be beneficial? But, but all this happens so fast. So the study, we probably won't know, like how that looks in 1010 years removed, but the Midwest values are still strong. I mean, you still, that's why they call them Midwest values, because it's a hard working, it's definitely different. I had the chance to go out and, and work on it on the west coast, totally different. I mean, our coasts are different regions of the country are way different from each other. And those Midwest values still hold true. And you do, you do see kids here that play and they go to the park and hang out together. And it's it is different than kind of like an urban setting where there's a lot of we go to Chicago visit family in downtown Chicago and you don't see you rarely see kids by themselves. It's always like a kid with a parent nearby. Right? Instead of kids just hustling on their own. Right, but what's your point like the the idea of of culture, take a little piece of everything. If you can take the beauty of New Zealand, just the basic beauty of the country, New Zealand the kindness of the Japanese, probably the the bartering skills and just the gritty hustle of India. I'm trying to think the fun the absolute fun of the Portuguese. We had so much fun in Lisbon, Portugal, and just how they celebrate and they they just take on life and they just love life so much. Take that from the Portuguese. The emotions of the the Italians, we spent, we spent time in Sicily, and just just run around in northern Italy for two and a half weeks in a car. Those people are just amazing. And they're gorgeous. The Sicilians I used to have a list of in my head of the most beautiful people around the world. Sicilians are just gorgeous humans. They're just beautiful people.

Ari Gronich 46:57  

Really? That's interesting, because animals would have you feel differently. Who's that? Is that the sopranos would have you feel differently?

Matt Javit 47:06  

Yes, buddy. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, when we're on the island, and you just you'd be in a cafe, and a woman would walk in and you're just like, oh my god, that is just they're just gorgeous, gorgeous people. And then um, yeah, there's so much about the Chileans are beyond fun just so much financially. You know, how much how much fun we had there. But yeah, just take little bits pieces all that and create a create an island and disappear forever? For sure.

Ari Gronich 47:34  

Yeah, absolutely. So what would you recommend if somebody is thinking, Hey, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, my business is on lock it to travel a little bit I can be nomadic with with my business, you know, what would you suggest for places to go and, and ways for them to engage with the culture there.

Matt Javit 47:58  

So if we're talking post COVID, and it's the world's a little bit more normal, network normal. Yeah. I would if you've never traveled. And this is like your first opportunity to get out of the US, I would suggest, somewhere like Portugal, or Spain, where it is, it's absolutely different, especially like a place like Lisbon. It's gorgeous. It's hilly, it looks like a San Francisco, but small cobblestone streets, it's everything you would dream of about like a romantic, European city. And then you'll be there and you'll know that you're in a different land. But it's not a stretch, it's not crazy different. As if you were going to take the leap and go to Thailand, where it's the the form of transportation is different, it's the language barriers might be more extreme, you'd have less luxuries than you do at home. Although the entire world is catching up really fast. Now that we're going to 2021 the infrastructure around the world is so much better, the access to Wi Fi is great. They understand the luxuries of nice cafes, the entire world is catching up really fast. So but competitive angle, Americans watch this back a little bit because there's a lot of opportunity out there to go to these other places and live a very similar life than you do in the States at a much cheaper cost. And that's what's appealing about a lot of places if you can, if you can have a digital nomad lifestyle where you're making the US dollar, but you're spending it in places where that you can live like a king in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, some of these amazing places. Albania you mentioned up and a beanie is awesome. Spend time in Albania and the dollar goes real far there. So if you if you can make that money and go there, your eyes will be open like how well you can live there. But you you don't want to if you don't if you don't want to people that want to jump all in and make that trip to to southeast asia where it's super cheap or latin america then a place like portugal southern spain greece croatia croatia is a little bit more expensive but it's gorgeous and nice yeah those that's what that would be my initial step and then once you get comfortable there you meet a lot of other travelers they're talking about colombia or they're talking about bali and bali is a huge digital nomad hub you start to hear about these places and you're ready to take that leap and it's something a little bit different not crazy extreme but it's just it's just different than what we're used to in america then you go there then you're then it's done you'll never come back because those places if you can make good money in those places it's just it's amazing it's so much fun and you'll meet other travelers and that's the coolest part about you meet other travelers but you get into the culture you start to understand the culture but you're meeting people that have that done more than you and have traveled more than than you have and they could tell you about the awesome places around the world then then your list just gets longer and longer of the places you want to go to and then at that point you're you're you're wrapped into the world and it's awesome

Ari Gronich 51:07  

how would you recommend people approach the local communities when they go their behavior wise and and so on

Matt Javit 51:19  

so i'm someone that if you have if you know you're staying somewhere for two weeks or more it's great to see a lot of places but i think you'll get more of it if you find a place you're like whether it's a cafe or lunch spot or a dinner spot and you visit once you're like this is like this place so my wife nikki she's a she's a vegan so we'd have to kind of be strategic and some of the places we'd go to i would eat anything but we would for her we'd find like some great spots and once you find that place that clicks for whatever category you're trying to fill go multiple times because the first time they're going to see you as like a customer or a traveler the second time they're gonna stick and recognize you're there they're like okay he must be stamped a little bit and after like the third time they're going to think that like you're you're more of like a local so then you can start to ask other questions of hey where else should i go what other weather weather places in town should i visit and they're going to treat you differently than just your first time in trying to get advice they know that you spent money there three or four times are getting comfortable with you because a lot of these places around the world in these smaller cafe restaurants it's the same owner there every day it's not like they have a staff like in america it's the same guy might be his house upstairs in the shops down in his in his basement or whatever in his in his front of his house and he's just working out of there so they'll get comfortable with you after three visits and then you can start to ask those questions and then they you never know where it could take you they might say well we're having this get together on saturday we would love for you guys to come over and hang out and then once you start getting in with the locals and doing what they do with their music or their their food or their drinks or however they partake and and what they're doing oh then it gets really fun so that's what i would definitely hit that spot find that local spot that you get a rhythm with and always be nice and cordial and tip like an american i think that they'll they'll like that because a lot of these places they don't tip so when you tip like an american they like you a little bit more as well

Ari Gronich 53:28  

that's awesome yeah i had that experience in greece with the restaurant and i would go there every kind of night after my shift so to speak to eat and eventually you know we would sit and talk for hours as doing greece and it turned out he had lived in boston for a little bit and had a restaurant in there in boston moved back to greece but he would make these like these special dishes that were really for him and because i was there talking to him all the time i literally had a constant supply of food that was his experimental recipes you know this lemon lamb lemon sauce lamb i mean just amazing he would be like he'd come out with a plate say okay we're testing this food let's try this out and we would just sit and talk for four hours

Unknown Speaker 54:30  

and what's the best about the culture it

Ari Gronich 54:31  

was pretty cool so

Matt Javit 54:33  

yeah that's the best

Ari Gronich 54:34  

that is definitely a thing to do you know what what what's your biggest message the thing that you want people to know the most about culture and diversity and this you know as you say cultural immersion travel what do you want americans to know the most and then what would you suggest just two people who might be coming from outside of the us into the us that would help americans feel more comfortable about the people that are coming to visit us because we obviously have an issue with immigration even though it's been the cornerstone of our country but i know that there are some things that people feel foreigners or foreign travelers are doing wrong or would they would like to see different when when they come to visit us so let's let's take it on both levels because let's get you know our foreign relations back in in the right direction by just understanding each other's culture so let's that both sides

Matt Javit 55:49  

yeah i think a lot of it comes to just checking your ego at the door and taking just taking a step back away from political correctness and when you're stepping into these cultures don't see it through the lens of of how media portrays people and just take it on in the most authentic way that you can in judged for yourself what you experience and not with the short lens that you might have going into it and form those new relationships as you can in those in those foreign lands and as you as you're as you're going with a very positive a very fresh ideal of these people are going to say that they're really good people until they show me different and then you're going to have a better experience it's just like anything in life that if you approach it the right way positive will come out of it and then when you're when you're in that don't don't try to push your americanisms on them just just attempt to be in the moment and understand that why they live the way they live because what you got to understand in america is no matter if we are money first we are a money first country all the headlines all the information it's all about economic value to the individual the corporations the government that's what we focus on these other countries around the world are not like that a lot of places are family first their community first there they might be religion first so they're not they don't they don't see it the same way we do when we see a restaurant such an easy example you see a restaurant you're like man they can make so much more money here if they did it this way instead it's like no they have the most fun here because they do it this way and it's that's why it's the families are the restaurants are in a family's name for generations because at the end of the day they make enough to to have a stable income for the family to have this great thing in for their community so just check your ego at the door and when you're when you're going to these places do the best you can to not bring all the baggage with you because that's how you're gonna get the most out of it and you're going to see it a different way and then those those visitors traveling to america i would say the same thing that don't believe everything you see on your news in your foreign lands because when you talk to when we talk to other people and you ask them what do you think about america a lot of that i had one conversation i had do you guys have school shootings all the time like that's what they see that's what they think about and we have school shootings all the time and it's like so they what they're getting a bed from their news because it's the real governments around the world some of which hate the freedoms we have in america so the best way that you could target those freedoms is to show this is what freedom gets you this is how if you have all these freedoms here's here's the baggage that comes with freedoms school shootings this is you want you want guns here's what happens you're gonna have you have killings everywhere we talk to people about oh my gosh should we because a lot of times we want to say we're from indianapolis we'd say chicago because it's easier for them to to understand like oh chicago is so violent they're al capone things like that so that's so if you if you're coming to america check that at the door as well and you understand that we are a kind people and we might not be as inviting as some of the places that you're from but if you ask the right people you make eye contact and you talk to people americans are nice people and we're going to be kind and we're inviting and the other part too is that i do this with i've had friends that like correct me in public settings because the idea that i have traveled and i've had a chance to meet a lot of amazing people around the world i'm pretty good at it understanding where you might be from based on what you look like. And so I'm not afraid to approach somebody and say, Excuse me, I'm just gonna be curious what your heritage is, or what part of the world you're from. And it's turned into some great conversations. Because if I, if I see somebody that if I look, they look Vietnamese to me, and I say, what part of the world you from? And they say, Vietnam is amazing. I spent three months there are, what part of the world and what part of the country are you from? And they say, Well, actually, I

was, I came over here when I was six, but my parents are from Hanoi, then I can take them down that conversation to have an awesome conversation to get to know each other a little bit, tell my experience their country, and how much fun I had. And I've had people, my friends, say, like, Whoa, dude, that sounds like you're being racist. Like, no, it's not racist. Um, um, everybody likes to talk about where they're from. Like, if you live in the States, you're from Kansas City, you can tell me how good the barbecue is in Kansas City. So So these folks come from a different land. And they're proud of that. Don't be afraid if you approach it the right way. Don't be afraid to have a conversation with somebody about where they're from, because you might actually learn something. And if you're in if you're in a work setting, and somebody is from India, or Poland, or from a different part, and you get to know a little bit about their, their homeland, you might want to take that trip to Warsaw, Poland, because you hear how awesome it is. And so that's what. So my point is, like, if you come here, don't be afraid to tell us where you're from. Because you might meet somebody that's actually traveled there. And then they they're really inviting. And then use use the, because Nikki and I use the technology around the world views work away, where we volunteer our services, for pre bed to stay. And we use trusted house sitters, where we watch the pets in people's home for free place to stay. We things like meetup, where you can get on meetup and find groups that have similar likes and interest, and you can join a meetup and then meet other people that do the same thing. Use it and those are easy ways to, to as you're traveling, meet other people, and then they'd might invite you in. So I would definitely use the technology out there because it might help you get in to like subcultures within the US, and then you can get invited and you're gonna have a more authentic trip as well just like just like we had when we use those technologies in other places. Awesome. What do you think?

Ari Gronich 1:02:23  

If? What do you think the benefit to in revising for both companies government what, you know, whoever it is that's doing the incentivizing but to incentivize travel to other countries, versus right now what we have is kind of like disincentivizing Yeah, all kinds of things. And I'm not talking about during pandemic, I'm talking about generalized, because the pandemic to me is something that's it will end quarantines will end lockdowns will end at some point, and we'll be able to, you know, move freely about the earth. So

Matt Javit 1:03:04  

you're saying, the idea of like, take take Bali, Indonesia, there, the our government would send us there, or their government is inviting us or

Ari Gronich 1:03:19  

government and, you know, companies, I'm not I'm not prescribing a way of incentivizing it specifically, that it becomes an incentivized thing. Versus stay here only know what's in your box. And what's in your office building is, you know, we Americans like to do our 40 to 80 hours a week in one building for 40 to 60 years and and get a gold watch. So we have a limp. You know, we have a history of limiting our perspectives to a very small thing. The other thing, you know, I notice about pretty much, you know, criminals and violence is that it's block oriented, right? If you're on this block, you're in this particular gang, if you're on that block, you're in a different gang, because and you can't go to our block and so we won't go to your block because you're right, so that we limit our perspective, I feel by ghettos and, and communities and blocks. I mean, I remember in Los Angeles, I would talk to somebody in South Central who had never been to the beach. The beach is what five miles away from South Central. So it was like you've never gone outside of this. This really small place. There's been no incentivizing you to leave your little block. And so perspective is only the block. So I'm asking like what would be the benefit for a company companies say to send their employees overseas to go to these other countries, whether it's government, whether it's companies doesn't matter, I'm just saying the benefit to people to be incentivized, so that they feel like traveling to overseas is a doable thing. A lot of people don't even think it's doable.

Matt Javit 1:05:23  

I think when you're looking at the dynamics of America, where where money is, Trump's all is the idea that it can bring economic value to your company. So because if you understand the hustle in the hard work that goes in to some of these other countries, and you get a chance to live in, walk in and walk through their marketplaces, and see how they, how they sell, and how they interact with their, with their community, you will inspire your employees. So for me, just that the idea that we're Cush here, it's easy, America's easy live, and we have no idea what the hardships that go on around the world. And that's the most eye opening thing I work with an underprivileged community on Indianapolis is Westside. It's not underprivileged, when it looks when you compare it to some of the dire settings around the globe. But in America, it's it sucks. It's It's rough. But so when you go to these other places, and you get to live, and get to see how most of the world interacts, and you're going to come back with a freshness and appreciation of what your company has given you the opportunity to achieve, and what did living in America gives you as well. And I think just that motivation, inspiration of traveling, some of these places around the world will give you any gives you a different set of eyes on how you're looking at your product or service, or whatever it is you're offering. Within your business, you will look at how other cultures might look at what you're you're delivering, or how just individuals are selling, or positioning what they're selling. So that's, that's for me, I, that's the best thing about travel is the idea that you get to see, especially if you've got a product to get a global product, if it's on an e commerce or something like that. And you can you can find potential customers out there and how they view what you're positioning, you can see their perspective on what you're positioning, if they would ever buy it or not. And because we we'd like you're saying we look at things in the box that we know. So as you expand that and see how other people might target it differently. It's going to it's going to be give you more opportunity potentially in the market. But I think just for the motivation, I wish that will will likely never have a scenario where other countries have around the world where 18 year olds have to do military for a year. What but I wish in America, we would say okay, when you're 18, you have to go travel to some of these third world countries to get into their culture for just a month. And because if you go, if you go to some of these places around the world, that are much different than we are, you're gonna have an appreciation for the globe, you're gonna, you're gonna appreciate these other cultures, but then you need to come back to America and understand what you have is pretty damn good. And you're going to complain a whole lot less. So

Ari Gronich 1:08:27  

we give him a trip to end the complaining, I appreciate that.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:34  

Cuz that's what the things that

Matt Javit 1:08:36  

we think the made up things that we complain about in this country are just analysts and other other countries have to look at us like, Oh my god, these guys have it all. And all they do is whine. And it's and that's that's the heart. But when you hear all the whining that goes on, it's like, man, if you had any idea how other parts of the world lives, you would be so appreciative. And that's what I think it could really open. It'll never happen. But that's why I'm really big on that gap year thing. The Europeans do with the Australians do it. We made a lot of travelers out there that were either 18 or 22 years old, because they were either going right after high school, or they're going off to college. It's a great time to see the world because your mind still fresh. It's not jaded, and you still have big dreams and hopes. And if you experience other parts of the world, you're gonna come back and bite Yeah, this is it's fresh and new. And it's it's a different way to think about your home country. So that's why I wish we I wish Americans more that I wish we did this. I wish we adopted the whole gap your idea?

Ari Gronich 1:09:34  

Right? So here, here's a my last, like, major question. We look at communities and we'll see a documentary or so and the happiness versus happiness in countries versus the money in countries right. So think it was the Himalayas that Gods ranked as the happiest community, the happiest people on earth. And those himalayans don't really have a lot of money. When you traveled to say, India, or any really of these cultures, were the happy people, those that had or those that did not. And what could you define as the thing that like the deciding factor? Because, you know, we all get taught that the happy that the more money and the more stuff we have, the happier we'll be. But I don't think I've seen that in the world. So I haven't traveled as much as you. So you know, why don't? Why don't you share? Like, where did you see the happiness factor plan?

Matt Javit 1:10:59  

It's, for me, the happiest people we met, were the most present in the moment that they were. And most of the time, they had the least. And it was that took took driver in India, that's making $1 a day, but extremely present. And they're in you, when you're talking to him, you know, he's talking to you and not thinking ahead. And that's a lot of the problem in America is we're always dreaming into the future. And we're not, we're not here present in the day that we're living in. And that was, it was quite a battle when we traveled because we were going to all these amazing, tremendous places. And so there was always a new location on the horizon. But the time that we were in that country, we knew that it was limited, so we wanted to be as president we as we could be. And that's what we attempted to do is we try to stay in those in the moment as much as we can. And we that really made us live happier. But there's, there is no half you cannot, I mean, it's a cliche for reason, you can't, Money can't buy happiness, and we saw it everywhere, people with the most humble settings would invite us in for a drink. And they would want us to come to their house so bad to see their house. And so we take them up on we go to their house, and it was like a small apartment with a bedroom and the kid would sleep on the couch. And it was in, they would go to the top shelf, to get the whiskey that they only brought out when they were celebrating and they would pour me a shot of whiskey. Because I knew I like to drink whiskey. And it was those situations where people had nothing. But they were so happy in the moment always present in so giving that you're like you really check check like okay, what what is important. And for those people, it's community, it's family, it's the kindness to strangers and things like that. And, but we saw we saw good things from from rich people as well. But you would see the most like pure joy from those with little that were just ultra present and what they were given. And just thankful. Just the just the gratitude and thankfulness on a daily basis is what really some of those communities you can just feel it. You just feel it as you're walking the streets. And just the smiles the endless miles. Yeah, it's so it's it's it's it's easy to say. But in the world that we live in where consumerism is just so in our face every day, it's difficult to back away. And that was part of our journey or part of our trip. And the reason that I wanted to do it for two years more than two years, is to really get away from the things that we come came so accustomed to, and how easy it is to push that Amazon Buy button. And it does a recession, we reset but then once you get back into America, man, it's so easy. It's just so easy to buy what you want every day and just get caught up in the cycle of habit. Now habit habit here. Why wait two weeks if I can have it tomorrow, you know what I mean? And it's, it's, it's tough. It's not easy to get out of what we're how we're wired in this country. And the fact that it's, it's pushed upon us. And it's easy, so easy. So,

Ari Gronich 1:14:43  

you know, here's the thing. Do you think that it's possible, to experience the American way of life and be happy like In community and in touch with our people again, because I think that, you know, the 50s was kind of like the last vestige of lock party and community and and people living that way. And even then it was, you know, it was only really a certain demographic of people that that did that. But you know, do you think that that the to match at all? Do you think that that the American way of life, so to speak with the, the amazing drive to go further and do more and create more and so on, do you think that that lends itself to having a society that can be considered happy content?

Matt Javit 1:15:59  

Yeah, that's tough, because the American Dream is real. And we would, we would hear the words American Dream around the world. It's not something it's just not the phrase that we use. It's used around the world. And it's real, you can go from zero to billion here, there's, there's many stories, from rags to riches in our country. And the idea that it's built into our DNA to have these stories, and to connect that to, to success. And money is where you're trying to aspire to, is deep into who we are. So I don't know, I think it's, I'm a gamma, I'm a dreamer. I'm a driven person. And a lot of that is connected to financial gains, too. But it's, I think it's how you how you view money. If you view it as a trophy, or you view it as freedom, I view money as freedom. And that the idea that if, as I'm making it, I'm creating more freedoms that I don't I can do my own thing. And it's, it's how you look at money, whether you're, whether you're feeling you're filling your house up with a bunch of things, or you're using it to create new experiences in your life. I think that's that's the that's the difference. But I'm not sure man, I don't I'm not sure. I'm optimistic. I know that America is a great place. But the hardest part is is the controller's of the information. Is is scarier now than it's ever been. I'm not that old of a person, I'm 44. But I know it's changed so much, in these last 20 years that the controllers have the information that we receive, is, that's the scariest part is that they can dictate how they think they want us to live. And it's showing that they can actually move, move masses of people to think a certain way. And that's the scariest thing is, hopefully this next generation, I understand that you can cut away and not rely on this information, and get away from some of these platforms. But it's going to be really hard. to, to to detach. In so I think it's two things. It's it's this idea that we want to live out our dreams and have big goals. But it's hard to think that true happiness might be getting off all these social platforms, and disconnecting and becoming more closer to nature. You know, I mean, that's all it's just, it's so much easier said than done. Because it's so easy to just jump on Twitter real quick, and look at what's going on in the world. And it just changes your whole your whole way of thinking, for the next half hour in your mind's going crazy. Because it's it's such a happier life to think like, okay, it's that all this information is not really messed with me anyway. But you think about other stuff that people get angry about. And it really doesn't really affect them day to day, and they get so mad about it. It's like, is this really gonna affect you tomorrow? No. So if you cut it out, and you just stay zoned in on what's, what your world is, and present your world and the people around you, you're going to be much, much more happier person. But it's so easy to just click that button and see what's going on in the world and get irate about it.

Ari Gronich 1:19:25  

Yeah, it's interesting, you know, as as we've moved away from physical contact with each other, and that kind of thing. We've moved more towards this, as we call it global citizenship, which is otherwise known as Facebook. And, and so we think that we're connected because we're seeing all of this stuff. You know, we're not in the present. We're in you know, we don't know if that post was photoshopped, and if It was three years ago is like, I saw this, this video at the beginning of the pandemic stuff of this string of tanks in Long Beach. Going down the road, right?

Unknown Speaker 1:20:13  

Yeah, yeah, I've

Ari Gronich 1:20:14  

seen that tank after tank after. And you think that is this happening right now? No, that was three years ago. And it was basically when the military base was like having a parade of new equipment or to the to the military base. But you know, it's played as if it's happening now. And so the present becomes mixed with the past, which becomes convoluted in the future. And nobody knows. What's, what's real. Yeah, for what's in here, and what is in here, like your eyeballs in the natural world, meaning not on a screen. And, yeah, I

Matt Javit 1:20:55  

have a, I have a hope that it would have to go through a much darker time. But with these deep fakes, the idea that you can manipulate video, is that we get to a point where you can't believe anything. Like you literally, I'm almost there personally, where, if I read anything, I'll triple check if it's if it's moving enough for me to say like, Whoa, what is this, I'm trying to dig deep into the details or to find the real truth. If we get to a point where you literally can't believe anything, video, audio, and headlines that people say it's all fake. And then they really release themselves from all the platforms. If we get to that tipping point, I thought we'd get there pre political, I thought there would be deep fakes with Trump, and Biden saying things and I thought it would be used in a bigger way than it was. But I think there's going to be a situation where we get to that point where you literally can't believe anything you see online, that you're like, all of this is fake, even the stuff that I want to believe it's all fake. And then you're gonna see people really step back and say, I'm not using anything anymore. And we get back to a situation where we're in more of local communities. And maybe things like these neighborhood apps and stuff like that, which those even get a hotel. I'm not sure if you're on any of those where the local neighborhood apps they get, they get political and it gets wacky, real quick, and then it now you're looking at your late neighbor, like and you can't see anything you want to say cuz you know, they know where you live. So yeah, it's, we were but here it is, man. It's it's all this technology is so new. We're just learning. We're just trying to figure it out on the fly, how we're supposed to use this stuff. And we got a people with a lot of money, that have their own agendas, pushing down among the people on how they want us to use this stuff. So it's, it's scary times for real?

Ari Gronich 1:22:56  

Yeah, absolutely. So let's end on an amazing note. What are three tips, tricks, suggestions that you might have for our audience? If they're planning on going on a trip somewhere or doing some digital nomadic Nomad ship, you know, give some some actionable things that they can do to create their new worlds today?

Matt Javit 1:23:24  

Yeah, yeah. So what I would do is, if this is a dream of yours in the next six, 912 months, three years, start early with the profiles that are important. I was just I was just saying bad things about the social but there's, there's some platforms out there that are really positive. Like I said, we use workaway. We use trusted housesitters. workaway, essentially, is you giving your skills up, or there's a long list of different skills that you could give to that community. And then people around the world, we'll invite you into their homes, to do that job for four to eight hours a day. And I'll give you a place to stay. And you're instantly involved with other volunteers and amazing hosts into the community that you get to see real local experiences. But you don't want to wait last minute to do things like work away. meetups, trusted house sitters, all these amazing websites that help travel be cheaper, because everybody thinks travel is real expensive. You can do travel in a cheap way. And that's one of those ways. So if you set up those profiles now and you do things local, so if you're somebody lives in Des Moines, Iowa, and you get on work away, you can actually do work always in Iowa. So maybe a weekend you go and you help Sally on her farm. Do the goats hang out with the goats you stand at Sally's place, and then when you leave Sally gives you five stars. If you're building those five star reviews early in the process, then you want to go go down to Machu Picchu in Peru for two weeks. Keep your costs down. You can you can to maybe do some volunteer work in cusco peru for six days you meet locals you're hanging out you're helping with the bed and breakfast you're staying for cheap and then you get to go see machu picchu because you have these great ratings but you got to build these profiles up over time and then that helps you become more trustworthy to those communities so that would be my thing to really help keep the cost down from a budget standpoint is think strategically strategically beyond that and then and that's a long one because it's a lot of different things in there so it's kind of three in one and then i would just from a financial standpoint you want to line things up there are certain there are certain bank cards that work better for atms around the world there's certain credit cards that give points to keep your travel mileage down we use we use that a bunch on the road and it's from a budgetary standpoint that's what you want to do and then i think it's great to dream i think it's awesome to to look at these locations around the world that you want to go to and do a lot of research and and dream about these places and really look at the places you want to go to and think forward because it helps it just it boosts your positivity um as you're as you're going through the grind of saving all that money that you need to travel that dreaming process really helps out

Ari Gronich 1:26:24  

awesome and if anybody wants to get ahold of you if you know how do they do that

Unknown Speaker 1:26:30  

the easiest way is probably passportjoy.com that's nick and i's blog it's got the it's got the podcast on there it's got our amazon prime series that you mentioned i got a book that i've sold so all that all that stuff is on passport.com

Ari Gronich 1:26:46  

cool and last but not least we're just gonna you know send them off with the most amazing short story that you have from your travels so just like what what was the best experience you possibly had

Matt Javit 1:27:11  

i think this will this will summarize a lot of things we talked about today about how amazing humans can be and it was one of the highlights of my journey so my big brother is extremely important my life and he's somebody that's kind of what we described prior where hadn't really traveled that much and really lived in kind of a not necessarily closed minded but couldn't understand what was out there he would even ask me from time to time like matt i don't understand why you're doing these things i don't understand why why you're going to these places and i will try to explain them how amazing it was so towards the end of our journey him and his wife joined nikki and i in danang vietnam and we had they had nine days there we had the time of our lives hanging out with them going to the markets showing them the fresh fruit of the restaurants hanging out the beach doing all the things you can do on demand it's an amazing city whenever our favorite place in the world and during that adventure my brother and i would go on these long scooter trips because the scooter lifestyle in vietnam is tremendous so we take out these scooters and my brother's a big beefy guy like i said i'm six six about 240 pounds my brother's like six foot real stacie and big one the strongest dude you'll ever meet and we're both we both got a bunch of tattoos on us and we're on these on these scooters going out to see these beautiful mountains through these through these more rural settings where they're not used to seeing americans and it was it was during the chinese new year which is a huge celebration in vietnam and so we're going out there about an hour and 20 minutes out and while we're going out a bunch of people were waving at us and at first i didn't understand what's going on but then later it clicked that during the chinese new year it's luck for them to invite people into their homes so on that we went saw this amazing lake in in mountain that we were going to i told my brother i said hey if we get invited to go to somebody's house we're stopping we got to stop dude and he's like alright we'll do it so we're coming back and sure enough this kid was waiting on us and like signaling us to come in so we stopped at scooters and we pulled over and we go into their home and it was a mate one kid spoke english he translated for the family that was his his father was there as well he had worked in he was in the military and so he was translating for the entire family but they brought out all this food all they brought out the heineken beer and they were just taking us in and it was like you got to beef head look and americans were kind of intimidating if you didn't know us and they're just inviting us into their home and bringing out the best stuff for us to have a broken conversation and to understand each other just a little bit better And to start their new year, the right way. And we left there like, Man, this is it's just a tremendous feeling to know how amazing people can be and how inviting they can be. And we just both left there with an amazing experience. And also just this, like there's a warm feeling of how awesome humans are.

Ari Gronich 1:30:20  

That's awesome. Thank you so much for being here. If you could leave everybody, with with one thought one final thought that is what you'd like, you know, all of these experiences that you've culminated together, you know, one thought that you'd like the audience members to get, what would that one thought be?

Matt Javit 1:30:45  

I would say that it's okay to want to live out your dreams. And it's okay to dream big, and then want to, to work through it and make it happen. Before we took this big adventure, there was no way I could live this out. I'd made every excuse my mind why it just wasn't for me. And then finally, it clicked to say like, Hey, I can do this, too. And I'm sure there's there's a listener out there that saying, they've been dreaming about this for a while and thinking it's not. It's not possible for them. But I promise you, you can do it. We did it. And now I've got other dreams that I'm working on. And it's possible for you to do it as well. Awesome.

Ari Gronich 1:31:27  

Thank you so much for being here. I know that the audience members have gotten a lot from this, and this is your host Ari Gronich with another episode of create a new tomorrow. Remember to like, subscribe, rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that change the world. Create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it.

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