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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and remember to LIKE SUBSCRIBE rate review comments below, do all of those things so we can start conversations that matter and create a new tomorrow today. Today with me I have Calvin Corelli. Calvin is a sass founder, serial entrepreneur and spiritual teacher, he founded a company called sin pleroma, which is an integrated software platform for coaches, authors, speakers, and other information marketers to run their entire business in one place. So that's pretty cool. But he calls that more Alas, instead of a SAS, which is love as a service versus software as a surface. So, you know, your your mission is amazing. And I'm gonna let you tell a little bit more about who you are why you created this platform, but more than anything, what what it is that you think the world needs to do, and us, you know, in it can do to make the world a little bit better place. So we'll get started with with just kind of your your quick bio, tell us a little bit about how you became who you are.

Calvin Correli 1:29  

Absolutely, yeah, thank you so much. I super appreciate you having me on here. Looking forward to the conversation with you today. I started simpler. So I was born and raised in Denmark and and, you know, was building always sort of an entrepreneur, both my parents were entrepreneurs, I got into computers and programming super early when I was like five or six years old, and got off to a good start on my career, always working pretty much always working for myself, I had one job for a company in Boston, just around the year 2000. But that was it. But then really got into struggling as an underdog were really kind of struggling all around as a human being to be honest, I felt like I had failed as a as a father as a husband, as a son to my parents as an entrepreneur, on all levels. And so it really got me down this path of soul searching of discovering questioning beliefs, learning to feel I was I grew up like I don't you can recognize this from yourself or clients, right? Like just not able to feel a thing. It was like I was living from my neck up. And all of his feeling stuff was like, a mystery. And it was just every once in a while it explode. So I went through that process of therapy and coaching and body therapy and working with a spiritual teacher. And that was what led to a moment where I was like, you know, finally asking myself the question, What am I here to do? What is it I really want to do versus just trying to be successful? Just trying to make money just trying to make ends meet? Right? So yeah.

Unknown Speaker 3:13  

So.

Ari Gronich 3:15  

So then, you know, my contrarian point of view in life is, so if business is at the heart of the possibility of solving the world's problems, why do you think we've allowed companies, as conglomerations of people to do things that are the antithesis of solving the world's problems? More on the side of creating issues where there maybe previously weren't any issues? Right? Yeah.

Calvin Correli 3:49  

So I mean, it's a good question, right? Like, I think the short answer is because we're humans, right? Because I mean, it's not isolated to to companies, obviously governments do you know, their fair share problems. I think, anytime humans come together, we we create a mess because we are a mess, which is why for me the goal really is to raise the conscious level I talk about physical, mental, emotional, spiritual maturity, those four right? Physical we got to be healthy body and mind are not separate, right? If your body is a mess, your mind is a mess. Mental learning to question your beliefs, just you know, realizing that you are not your thoughts, you are not your ideas about yourself, right. emotional maturity, learning to not suppress feelings, not vomit them out and identify with your feelings, but just feel them and let them flow through you. And spiritual in the sense of having a sense of a bigger purpose in life, some sort of meaning without it or lost, right. And they all tie together. And and so once that happens And we grow up as people, I think I bet you would agree the most, quote unquote adults in the world right now are really kind of children emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually, right? It just happened to be in a in a in an adult body. So there is really is like a big massive maturity that needs to happen in the world. If we want to solve these problems, and once that happens, solving the problems becomes fairly easy. And then business and government can become a vehicle for solving those challenges. But when it's done unconsciously, yeah, it's gonna have the opposite effect.

Ari Gronich 5:36  

Yeah, it's interesting, some of the statistics that I've that I've heard, and and research is that people are approximately the age of their first major trauma.

Calvin Correli 5:49  

And don't make sense yeah,

Ari Gronich 5:51  

or that first major trauma happened, they kind of you kind of get locked in, yep, the maturity level of that age. And then anytime something triggers that the same feeling that happened with that trauma, you revert back to that age of a person and that reaction and those kinds of things. So it's kind of an interesting way of looking at it and perspective. And, you know, in my world, as a, as a therapist, and healer, and so on, the only way to solve that problem is to go after the issues that are in the tissues, so to speak. Or, you know, you have a some somatic trauma, which basically means a trauma to your physical self. And the only way to heal that trauma is to go directly to where that trauma occurred. And so an emotional trauma almost always happens in the body, as well. So when you look at like Chinese medicine, anger lives in liver wery, lives in the kidneys, the sweetness of life, in your pancreas, the lungs are joy, you know, feeling joy, your stomach is contentment. And so these emotions, you can imagine anytime somebody says, right, you know, I'm feeling this this, you know, little queasiness in my gut? Well, that's an emotion that's creating a physical response. Right?

Unknown Speaker 7:33  

Yeah.

Ari Gronich 7:34  

Tell us how you've come along this, this journey of finding out that, you know, you are having some of these kinds of issues. And what did you do? Like, I mean, the actual steps that you took to start the process of healing, and let's go with the beginning of that process, because, you know, I know a lot of people, it's the beginning that they struggle with the most. Yeah,

Calvin Correli 8:03  

so let me just on what you were saying with the issue in the tissue and the ages for so I was fortunate because I'm from Denmark, I discovered there's a there's a therapy form there called body SDS, which is body therapy is a system that's developed in Denmark by this incredible genius has passed now, but they're like third and fourth generation are now actively, you know, working on it, my friend, I've become friend with the founder of the education there. He's 5657 karate champion has educated 600 therapists over there. So it's one of my projects is actually to bring that to the US. Because I have tried a ton of different things. And this is just so powerful, I really getting to those core wounds in the body, because a lot of this stuff is you can't really get through it with words, because it's pre cognition. And so the body is such a powerful tool. So I'm so with you on that.

Ari Gronich 9:03  

Interesting. So let's talk about the menu. So the menu, they found, as if it's more than two pages, it causes people to go into choice overwhelm.

Calvin Correli 9:22  

If we talk about like food menus at a restaurant, what kind of

Ari Gronich 9:25  

restaurant they found, the science this study, the research has found that if there's more than two pages on a restaurant menu, then people go into choice, overwhelm, and they are less satisfied with their choice than if they have a one page or a two page menu, and only have certain things that they can get. They choose what they want. And they're happy with their choice because the limit, so you talks about going onto Google, Google is to me A couple billion page menu. And you know, you got Dr. Google you got, you know, that a lot of people are using for their, their, their medical questions. But the idea behind this is that, do we have too many choices, and not enough truth to where people can't make a decision, they get overwhelmed with information and all of a sudden, they can't make a choice, they can't make a decision, they can't make an action because of this overwhelm. And, and now they're not satisfied because of too much choice.

Calvin Correli 10:38  

Well, yes. And I mean, that's not gonna go away, right? That's never gonna change. So we That's just a fact that we have to adapt. Like, the the being unhappy with your choice is just back to what we were talking about a while ago with, like, you know, believing your thoughts, right, so. So just ignore that voice. It's one of the things that we're not, it seems we're not teaching people is like fundamental thinking skills. But I'm not even gonna say critical thinking skills, just any kind of thinking, honestly, is in short supply. Right? So so just learning to be like, Okay, what is the problem? What is the outcome that I want? Even? I mean, honestly, even that is one of the things that fascinates me about politics, is we're constantly debating this intervention or policy versus that. And nobody's saying, Well, hey, why don't we stop it stop for a second? What does success look like? What do we actually want to achieve here? And like, Can we get agreement on that first? And then Alright, what parameters? Are there for a solution for an for a strategy where like, what values do we have? Can we get agreement that and then we can start brainstorm solutions, right? But if you haven't figured out what you want first, then nothing else makes sense. Right now, though, everything else just becomes a waste of time. And we people don't get these basic things about how to solve problems. I see it too in business, so many people who are focused on tasks, what are the things I need to do? And I'm like, well, but like, it's not working. We're like, this is what this is the goal. This is the outcome, like, what else can we try? Right? Because that didn't work. And so there's some fundamental thinking skills that people are missing. So

Ari Gronich 12:20  

yeah, this is one of the biggest issues that I have system wide in almost every system that we've created in the last 20 plus years. Maybe 30, maybe 40 depends on the system is we're all about procedures versus results. So we do digital marketing right now, because that's my biggest challenge. I'm not a digital marketer, put a body in front of me, I could turn it into Olympic champion, not a problem. Easy peasy. Put a computer in front of me and tell me to digitally market with web hooks and funnels and triggers and minutiae. And I go back. And so as I go to hire people, my biggest frustration is they're trying to charge me for tasks like, well, if I put 15 posts on your Instagram, that's going to be this amount of money. If I post, if I if I add, Instagram and Twitter, that's that amount of money, even though it's the same post and I created it, and I just took twice, but I'm gonna charge more. And then if I do this, it's that amount of money. Like, okay, so what are the results that are going to come? Well, I can't guarantee results. And I go, Okay, and then I look at medicine and I see the same thing. It's, we need to do an MRI or an MRI for for a knee injury, right? So you tear meniscus or muscle ligament, you need to do an MRI. But if you go to a doctor, first thing that you got to do is an X ray. Why? Because you got to do an X ray before you do an MRI. Why? X ray is not going to show me what an MRI is gonna show me. So why do I need to do the X ray first? It's another procedure. It's another task. It's another thing that makes absolutely no difference in outcome. Zero, zilch. Nada

Calvin Correli 14:21  

for you. But for them. It makes pocket book right

Ari Gronich 14:25  

make pocket book. But what that does is it creates a scenario in which we create incentivized fraud only, right? we incentivize fraud by doing those kinds of things. We do it in companies, we do it in business, we do it and all kinds of the aspects of our life these days, because we're doing task as you said, versus results. And so let's talk about that a little bit because I just had my now my nice little rant but what do you think the cost is of Task versus result oriented thinking

Calvin Correli 15:03  

oh boy, I mean it's it's massive right it's everywhere and it's it's the it's the lack of transparency in in choosing right because if you could choose between doctors that did it one way versus the other like duh right but there's no transparency there oftentimes there's there's like de facto monopolies so and then it's the population just being aware of it and and and choosing based on that we have this tendency to just give her authority away to whomever right i think it was Warner Earhart, founder of s back in the day he had the saying that people walk around with their umbilical cord in hand just looking for someone to plug it in somewhere somewhere to plug it into, which I think is a great way to say it. I think it's really true like people are constantly looking to outsource their authority to someone right or something. So yeah. But it's it's it's everywhere. It's like one of my pet peeves is the the whole cookie thing like EU and GDPR all these privacy laws and like these specialties like cookie banners that pop up everywhere, it's like they're designed for people who visit like one or two websites per week, or maybe per day, right? But when you visit like 50 to 100 websites in a day you end up like clicking that damn thing over and over again. And we condition people just click the the Yeah, whatever, go away, right? Like we we don't read them, we can't. And so that's another like, someone is making a law. That's like making us more private see secure or whatever, on paper, but in practice, it does nothing. It does the exact opposite, at great cost to every company business needs to implement this every user of the internet that needs to click these stupid ass things, right? It's it's just, there's no accountability. We're not holding other people, businesses, politicians, bureaucrats accountable for actual results. And there's that yeah, it's like a lack of culture of thinking that way. The cost is a mess.

Ari Gronich 17:10  

Thank you so much, Calvin for coming on. I know the audience has gotten a lot of benefit from this conversation and the things that you had to say. And so I really am grateful for this conversation for you helping people create their new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. I am your host, Ari Gronich. And this is awesome conversations with Ari. No, it's not. It's it's just creating a new tomorrow. But remember to LIKE subscribe, rate review, comment below so we can start conversations that move the country forward, moving ourselves forward, and create your new tomorrow today. Thank you so much, and I'll see you next time.