How do you actually help someone… without just reacting to what they’re doing?

In this walking-with episode, Jonathan Kindler slows things down and walks through what it really looks like to sit across from someone in the middle of a struggle—and not just address the surface, but understand what’s underneath. Through the lens of Scripture and stories like Moses in Numbers 20 and Joshua leading with faith, this episode uncovers how belief shapes perception, behavior, and ultimately direction.

Blending biblical insight, counseling clarity, and real-life patterns, this episode equips you to discern what’s actually driving the people you care about—and how to walk with them patiently, clearly, and faithfully.

Whether you’re a counselor, pastor, discipler, or just someone who finds themselves in meaningful conversations, this episode will help you move from frustration to understanding—and from reacting to guiding.

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