In this episode Sara Weissman of Diverse, will interview Dr. David Payne of the Educational Testing Service (ETS) on issues related to testing, bias and diversity. Dr. Payne will also discuss paths forward, both for ETS and the graduate community. Topics of discussion include: the role of standardized testing in admissions; the meaning of test bias and ETS's mission to stamp it out, how standardized testing can be a benefit rather than a barrier to ensuring equitable access for marginalized students and ETS's plans for providing greater support to the graduate community.