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EP 51: The Power of the Personality with Merrick Rosenberg - Highlights


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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich and today with me is Merrick Rosenberg. And Merrick is the co founder of team builders plus, which was in 1991. And take flight learning in 2012. He's the author of three books, personality wins the chameleon and taking flight. These are all books about tapping into the power of your personality. So this is where it becomes interesting, because we're going to talk to mark today about personalities, and the ways in which these personalities define the reality that we live in. So he doesn't know that yet. But he does now. So Merrick, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to forming this system regarding personalities, and how it may differ from some of the other well known personality discovery tools out there. So you're


Merrick Roseberg 1:14  

by back in 91, as you mentioned, I started one of the first team building companies in the country. And it didn't take long to realize that, wow, people just don't get along. And teams are dysfunctional, because of personality, that people just don't understand each other, they don't understand themselves. And, you know, the reality is the most self aware people are the happiest, and they tend to achieve their goals in life, they tend to have happy relationships. And that led me to this exploration of understanding personality styles, and there just are so many tools out there.


Ari Gronich 1:48  

There's all of these different kinds of Tell me how you came out, came about finding this style. Or


Merrick Roseberg 1:57  

if you go back to the early 1900s, and even 1000s of years ago, in the early 1900s, William Marston had put together what he called the disc model, which was di sc. Now, it was fascinating. It was just rang true. But what's what's really cool about that is is it paralleled what had been around for 1000s of years to Greek culture, the ancient Chinese civilization all over the world, people had four style systems, they call them different things. in corporate America, people tend to know them as the disc model di sc. But I just wanted to make it easier. And I was teaching the letters and I found that people weren't remembering them and, and I wanted to write a book about it. I've kept feeling like, I'm going to constantly have to say, the take charge D, and the energetic, enthusiastic I and like, no one's gonna remember that. And then like I said, I wish it was visual and symbolic. And like in a flash of insight in a moment, like this download the idea of linking it to four birds came to me and then I built a whole business around it, because it's just a matter of teaching people about themselves and the birds made it easy.


Ari Gronich 3:04  

Alright, so we're gonna play, we're gonna play a little game. You ready? I'm ready. All right. So I haven't I haven't done this before. I do have a little bit of noise.


So we're gonna play with some of my toys I haven't played with before. And I'm going to name somebody and you're going to name a personality to go with that.


Merrick Roseberg 3:32  

Hopefully, I ready?


Ari Gronich 3:34  

You're reading okay. So we've got Albert Einstein.


Merrick Roseberg 3:38  

So Einstein much more of an owl very logical, very analytical. He's interesting because he had a little bit of a parasite. He was actually kind of a funny funny guy. But But owl primary style for sure. And everybody's not just one you could be a combination of multiple styles.


Ari Gronich 3:52  

Absolutely. Elan musk.


Merrick Roseberg 3:55  

Elon Musk is interesting. He certainly has a lot of Eagle take charge. I want to go where no one has gone before that like James T. Kirk, but he's got a lot of parrot to the I'm gonna send my my car to Mars. I mean, who does that that's a parrot thing to do.


Ari Gronich 4:14  

All right, Bill Gates,


Merrick Roseberg 4:16  

Bill Gates, very much of that owl style, very logical, analytical. I mean, if you think Microsoft is the name micro soft of its detail, when he first started the company, he was creating little mini programs. I mean, so well.


Ari Gronich 4:32  

All right. Gandhi,


Merrick Roseberg 4:34  

Gandhi very much the dove, that caring soft spoken, compassionate style, but he also had some Eagle which is interesting, because he he was very much the that what I call that activist style that picture the dove, we care about people and that Eagle, I'm going to fight for people's rights but not with aggression, but more with that dove patients but we will win which is the eagle so it's kind of a debate. Eagle combination style, very interesting pattern.


Ari Gronich 5:02  

Okay. Martin Luther King,


Merrick Roseberg 5:06  

actually very similar to Gandhi has that Dove Style and the eagle they're very eloquent style because they speak both with compassion and conviction. And so Gandhi, Martin Luther King Obama all shared that style.


Ari Gronich 5:22  

Okay, Muhammad Ali,


Merrick Roseberg 5:24  

Muhammad Ali, you know, you think Muhammad Ali a boxer you think Eagle comes up? But no, he actually had a lot of parrot. He was fun. He was funny, but very compassionate. He had a parrot and a dub style, which is very atypical for what we would stereo stereo typically think of a fighter, people. Everybody has stories of just what a nice caring, compassionate guy he was.


Ari Gronich 5:46  

Interesting. All right. Let's go with Trump. Trump


Merrick Roseberg 5:51  

dove right now definitely not a dove. He is he is the eagle. Kind of all Eagle all the time. Direct, assertive bottom line, take charge confident that is the picture of an eagle it would be Donald Trump.


Ari Gronich 6:07  

Alright, Biden


Merrick Roseberg 6:09  

are getting heightened by politics. Yeah, much more of a parrot and a dove. He always has that big smile, very empathetic and caring. And look, he's made a lot of gaffes throughout his career. He's always done it, that's a parent thing to do. There's a thin filter between thinking and speaking. And parents sometimes say things out loud, and they're like, Oh, no, did I say that out loud. And then he has to walk it back at the parrot thing to do with ease. But he has a lot of depth to very caring, very compassionate.


Unknown Speaker 6:36  

Alright, Bernie, Bernie,


Merrick Roseberg 6:39  

Bernie's got a lot of Eagle. Very just, um, take charge, I'm doing my own thing, I'm gonna be the one independent guy in the whole Senate. I don't even care if you don't agree with me, I'm doing what I want. But he also has a little bit of dove in there. Sometimes he has those moments where he'll you'll see tears forming in his eyes. He's just so passionate about what he cares about.


Ari Gronich 7:01  

Alright, so now that now that we went through this little exercise, right? personality types for that are that are good for people who are leaders. So let's say you want to be a leader, you want to be a follower, you want to be the guy who gets on board. So let's, let's kind of map the personality types that somebody would need if they're starting a movement?


Merrick Roseberg 7:31  

Sure, well, here's, here's the first thing to recognize that there is no, this is the style of a leader, if you want to what I was thinking is you're just activating that potential in you, you're getting yourself to that place where you're the highest version of yourself, accomplishing the absolute most you can accomplish in this life. It doesn't matter what your style is, your style does not determine how successful you will be. But your style absolutely determines how you go about being successful.


Ari Gronich 8:02  

Gotcha. So let's go back to politics a little bit. And it's not going to necessarily apply the way I would think it would apply. But if I was to say, read, write, what personality types might pop up or blue, what personality types might pop up. I believe that it's probably going to be pretty diverse, based on what you just said. So I'm going to ask you that in a little bit different way. What personality types are playing an effect in the noise that's being made currently, because we all hear about the silent majority and the loud minority? So where does that silent majority play in their personality types versus the loud minority? Well,


Merrick Roseberg 8:58  

look, when you there's no doubt that when you have eagles and parrots, they're much more outgoing and boisterous that they don't tend to be in any kind of silent majority. That's true in a staff meeting. You don't if Eagles if you have someone who's an eagle parrot, and they have a concern, do you think they just sit there quietly and don't say anything? No way. But what happens is I think we're seeing the doves and and owls are much more introverted. They're much more reserved. And they're being more energized now to speak. And then just a word, I think we're starting to hear a larger percentage of the population than we usually have heard before, which is often that kind of parrot Eagle, loud boisterous style. We're hearing more from the owls and the dubs than we've ever heard before.


Ari Gronich 9:48  

Yeah, I think I think that's a good note, to leave the audience on. And, as always, I asked, you know, for two to three, maybe four tips, tricks, things that somebody can act upon immediately. I think you just gave one I'm gonna have you repeat it. But yeah, just what are some things that people can do to create their new tomorrow today? Well,


Merrick Roseberg 10:15  

the first piece is going into you got, as I said earlier got to have that level of self awareness recognize your bird style, so you're aren't imposing it on others. I would take a variety of things like amount of information, how much information do you provide the people around you, you provide an owl very different than the amount of information you provide an eagle or a parrot. So start tuning into how much information you're communicating, start tuning into how you're communicating to the people around you. Is it very directly and bluntly like an eagle? Is it softer? Like a dub is more logical? like an owl? Is it energetic, like a parrot? How are you coming across to the people around you? And are you imposing your style on them? So start taking a look at just communication is a great place? How much information you share? How do you share it? And are you treating them how you want to be treated? Or are you treating them how they want to be treated. And if we honor people who are who they are, you create strong relationships, if you honor yourself, and put yourself in a role were in a place where your style strengths can shine, man, you're just going to be able to accomplish anything. But if you are in a in a role, or in a job that you have to constantly do things that are outside of your personality, it's going to be exhausting, you can never be the highest version of yourself when your job exhausts you, every day, find ways to do what is meaningful to you.


Ari Gronich 11:42  

Awesome. And that's a really good reminder for any HR rep CEO, CFO, who's thinking of treating their employees, like their deficit on the balance sheet instead of an asset is you know, if you want them to be an asset for you, treat them the way they need to be treated for their personality. And you'll get more out of them. And so that is, that's awesome. And I really appreciate you being here and all of this information that you've laid down on, on the crowd. So how can somebody get ahold of you, if they want to get ahold of you,


Merrick Roseberg 12:20  

you can go to take flight learning.com. And you can discover just the range of training programs that we have there and you can reach out and on Twitter, it's at merrick. and also on LinkedIn, connect with me and I always try to put a little daily dose of bird wisdom so people can keep learning about the styles.


Ari Gronich 12:42  

Awesome. Awesome. And so I'm imagining that this book take flight is not about being a pilot.


Merrick Roseberg 12:51  

It is not it both taking flight and the chameleon are taking flight is one long fable that allows you to see the birds in action and then the second half of the book is okay. Now how do you apply it in your life? It's kind of like writing a movie. The next book the chameleon was like writing a series in a season of a sitcom has 22 fables like each one's a different episode? Sometimes eagles and parrots sometimes doves analysis, sometimes all four with the all knowing chameleon that teaches you about yourself. And each each one of those fables has a different lesson of how to apply the styles in your life. And so they're fun. You'll see yourself in the stories are these good? Yeah, they're really for adults. But I've had many people say to me that they've sat and they read them with their children. I've had many people say they get the audio book and they just they drive and listen to a fable and then turn it off and then have a whole conversation with the family about how that is playing out within that that family itself so kids will get


Ari Gronich 13:51  

it. Yeah, awesome. So we'll we'll see about being able to get a link or something for an ebook or audio book or whatever we can do for the audience so that they can check you out, check out your book, and, and hopefully, learn a little bit about personalities, help themselves move into a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world. I am your host, Ari Gronich. This has been a fantastic episode, talking to Merrick about personalities and birds and you know, the birds and the bees with regards to personalities, having this amazing amount of information for both corporations as well as relationships is great. So, thank you so much.


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