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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich. And this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Sunil godse. He is an intuition ologists. And I am not going to tell you exactly what that is, I'm going to let him do it. But let's just say that by using his intuition, he has had the success of making over $20 million, taking companies from 500,000 to three and a half million, doing all kinds of things on establishing relationships. And he's helped over 50,000 people change the way that they make decisions by helping them sharpen their intuition. Now I have my own motivations for wanting to talk to Neil but I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about intuition ology.

Sunil Godse 1:09  

Fantastic, well, thanks for having me on, I'm really excited to, to educate your listeners a bit on on how to sharpen their intuition. And to give you a bit of a background as to kind of highlight I started, you know, down the road of figuring out, you know, why intuition was so important was I wrote a book called fail fast, succeed faster. And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, that you should be, you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people was 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting, that people are ignoring their intuition, and is now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition? And so when I immediately thought about when I ignored my intuition, there were three things that came up right away. The first was a career that I got into I got into engineering being South Asian, it's it's either doctor, lawyer, engineer, or door number four is failure for anybody South Asian, especially, you know, firstborn son or a son. So I ended up going to door number three, and became the engineer and just absolutely hated it. And I spent three years there. And to, to in the second year of that three year stint, I ended up becoming an investor with a Mexican restaurant, a Mexican Mexican restaurant was a senior fries brought the chain up to Canada with the first time ever, and we bought the rights to the name and I became an investor and I was making five times more in dividends. And I was full time as a, as a civil engineer. And so in the third year, I just said, I'm leaving right now. Entrepreneurship is really, really speaking to me, from an intuitive perspective, I lost my relationship with my dad. But that was a sacrifice I needed. That's why I kind of fell into these societal norms, so to speak. And then that's that went into wholesale clothing, retail clothing, pop up events, entertainment company. And that's where the $20 million in ventures or as investor came in, before I started consulting other people. The second time was I remember, there was a management consulting contract, a big one in Silicon Valley. And it was a big, it was a big it name. And I'm thinking, wow, this is what an opportunity. But the contract terms kept changing. And my intuition at that time was saying, you better back off, like Something's fishy here. But the money was so good. And I was so emotionally invested in going that I spent every single penny going down there. And the company didn't pay me. And I came back with 25 cents in my bank account back to Canada. And and at that time, I was there was two years. I was about to be married. I'd met my wife three years earlier, and the money is just gone. And I have nothing. So perhaps the most devastating one was I had a friend of mine who was being stalked, and she needed some advice, and I was doing some coaching at the time. And so she said, Sunil Can we meet right away too. I need I need you to give me some advice on what's going on. And so I had nothing that afternoon. Yet my and my intuition saying like meet whether this is urgent, yet something like I just I just ignored that. That's something and I said, Well, let's meet a couple of days later. And the very next day, that same stalker walked up to her at a bus shelter. shot and killed her. And she ended up dying the very next day. So when I looked at those times when I ignored this something, I kept thinking like, why, like, why did they do that? And then I started thinking, you know what I mean, intuitions spoken to me, before I had this voice had this feeling I got all these different things happening. Why do we ignore intuition? And that got me really taking a deep dive into understanding what intuition is? Is there science behind it? And sure enough, there were MRIs. When I looked at the academic literature and showing what we're born with intuition. There was studies saying that infants, as young as two months old had intuitive capabilities. You had experiences, there were four types of intuition and that we have these things called into signals. And these signals are very unique to you and I. So we have four types of intuition. And we can dive into that if you want a little bit later. And they come in two splits.

Ari Gronich 5:52  

Yeah, I want to I want to interrupt you for a second, I want to know whether what the difference between intuition and reading your environment is.

Sunil Godse 6:04  

So it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is your subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part, it's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe is everything where it needs to be, there's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you're you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong, it's something out of place, are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming? So people I've even had, you know, people who are, you know, blind, and they've got their service dog, and they're walking down this alley, they've gone and all of a sudden the service dog stops, there's something wrong that's going down that alley. And and so about other people just gone down this alley, and then again, it nighttime and they just sense there's something in their environment that's off. And they walk the other way. And sure enough, later on, they see a couple of individuals that come around the side that are a little bit suspicious, start following her. So that's that situational intuition. The third of the form is called relational intuition. And so this is where you're looking at the person or persons in that environment, can they be trusted? What's their body language looking like? Are they actions matching the word so what's the facial twitches is deceptive. You know, so and it's consistently watching. So that you're continually analyzing forever, like somebody can can rope you in and and you know, two days later or a week later, start doing things that are deceptive, right. So your intuition is always watching when it comes to relational intuition. And then the fourth one is creative intuition. That's the ultimate decision that you make. So all these four come together in a split second to tell you whether you're making the right decision or making the wrong decision. And this is where the intuitive signals are very, very important. Because when you make the right decision, you get an inventory of positive signals. And typically, for people that's like the doctor connecting, it feels right, there's a pull, these are common after interviewing over 1000 people, these are sort of three of the common ones that people think about. The common ones, the negative ones is sort of that gut feeling. In some cases, it's a voice where and voice could be positive or negative, depending on the tone of the voice or what you feel that voice is saying. And then there's a couple of really odd ones. Like there's one which is an orb, somebody sees an orb an omen. And in one case, we had there was an entrepreneur that you when I was interviewing him, he was just saying, Yeah, you know, I don't know about these signals, you know, but every time he talked about his failures, the ventures that he went into for the wrong reasons, he kept touching his left ear lobe. And pretty soon it clicked, like, Oh, my God, like there's a signal. And now he remembers every time he got into that venture, thinking about it, he be grabbing his left ear lobe. And that was his intuitive signal to say you're making the wrong decision. So when you have sort of, he understands, and this is how complex intuition is, which had to find out is because we don't understand what these four are, we ignore a number of signals. And even if we get that gut feeling, or we get that voice, how do you know that's the first signal? If that's signal number three, that just means that you made two bad decisions, so that those two bad decisions could be a stubbed toe, or those two bad decisions could lead you to bankruptcy.

Ari Gronich 9:50  

Yeah, it seems like it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes, the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn Your lesson? You know, the harder that that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door so to speak. So, absolutely no, like, I'll give you an example, just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven, you know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point, you know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said, this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously, we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think, a quarter million dollars worth of stuff, we had to sell the house, my dad builds, I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing, and I'm I started studying Buddhism, I was nine, I'm started studying Buddhism, nature and shown in Buddhism, that's the nominal ordering a kill. style. And, and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.

Sunil Godse 11:58  

So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these, these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best, that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that are around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want into inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple. The inner circle ones are the ones that are really going to be there for you through thick and thin through the ups and downs. And they're, they're genuinely there to move your life forward. They're not Yes, people, there are people that you know, you'll get an honest opinion from. So when you surround yourself with with those type of people and learn about these things about signals and create your environment that's positive, then you can do the same for everyone else. Because it doesn't make sense. And you're giving, you know, advice to someone, when you yourself are following societal norms. I mean, I have a friend like that, right? They know exactly about me and intuition, and how I have that with my two kids. And I talk about it all the time at home, and they roll their eyes. But you know, these other people recognize it. And they're really good friends of ours, and we talk about it how important it is, yet, they're advising their kids of a societal norm, you have to go into medicine, you have to do this. Right. And so that's the economy, right? So on the one hand, they're talking about it from a conceptual perspective. On the other hand, from a practical perspective, they're doing something completely different now, enter their kids who are in the environment, because we're talking about this. And yes, you know, some of the kids that come over, we talk about intuition or something like that, or decisions you have to make, and they get my aspect of you know, that it feels right chasing your dreams, what's your passion, that kind of language, then they go home, and they hear something totally, no, no, you're, I mean, what is that nonsense? You know, yet, we're talking about it. And so now you've left that that child confused. So you really have to really understand it for yourself. And it's tough. It's really tough, you're gonna get a lot of backlash. Right? And, and, you know, I entered discussions with some people. And yeah, I mean, I get backlash because of my opinions, but I really don't care. Right? Because my intuition my intuitive path is for me, and if you look at my two kids, and the impact that they've had, and you know, my wife kind of is sort of a traditionalist and all that stuff. And so we kind of go back and forth as well. But I'm pretty staunch like you know, you don't have to do things because other people expect you to do it. You don't have to follow societal norms. And if you really want to go into say medicine, or if you really want to go into to, you know, become an artist, if you really want to do dentistry, whatever it is, you make sure you want to do it because you love it. Your Passion about it. And I want to hear the language that is telling me that not just because you're saying it because x y Zed or somebody driving a new car, you know, and you're, you know, Justin recolor was talking about, I was just listening As for his podcast episode he was talking about, and this, this was the one you just released the full interview I was listening to, and he was talking about, we're so hung up on money and house cars, and extremities, external motivations, that we should be looking inside. And one of the things that I tell people is that the cost to you in making the wrong decision is actually double the cost. And here's why. The cost is if you make a bad decision, it's not only the time, effort, and in some cases, money lost on making that bad decision. But in that same instance, you can actually gain time gain money, gain effort by making the right decision. So it's actually two times the cost in terms of making a bad decision. So when it comes to kids, with my two girls, so my eight year old, in both cases, they've been able to move away from bullying incidents that they've seen the behavior they don't like. And I was actually really surprised that my oldest one was pretty like her line was drawn in the sand is she was saying, I don't like that behavior whatsoever. And I was telling her, Well, you should give that friend a second chance. You know, just because she was pretty hard. And that shocked me. Like, wow, and she's like this, I think she was eight at the time. And so you should, you know, just see, give her a second chance, because they were friends for a long time. And then sure enough, she's she's an acid, the choice is up to you. And she agreed at one point. And her friend ended up coming over and giving lollipops and a big poster of when they spent time together. And I said, Well, you know, I mean, she took the time to do that. So she clearly cares. And sure enough, that behavior came back. And so she said, I'm done. And I said, excellent. You got your you got your answer. So I should have had her trust her intuition. But my now she's 14, she's now running actually a nonprofit business by herself, where she, she actually paints and you can see her paintings behind. Those are her art. And so she sells those to raise money for distributes and illnesses. She's raised over 20 grand in about a year and a half. She has her own podcast series. She does all the backend stuff, she doesn't want my team to work on it. She wants to put the podcast together, she's getting the guests, she's sending the emails. And it's all intuitively based, like easy to see the passion in it. Right? You see the purpose, you see the engagement. And you can tell that this is really like she's loving that process. That's what we have to teach our kids. That's what we have to teach ourselves. And that's where that consistency comes. And when you're acting like that. And when your kids act like that, you attract people like that, because you naturally repel others or you keep them at a distance. Because you make that decision. They don't.

Ari Gronich 17:47  

So just because you mentioned Justin, Justin's daughter, Niva Lee recolor has the podcast superpower kids. Wow. And she teaches she she's a an author, best selling author, she's been on stage in for ink magazine, she's been rated as one of the most influential kids in America on entrepreneurship. You might want to have your daughter, check her show out and, and even possibly be on it. And I know that they enjoy that. And neiva and my seven year old are like brother and sister. I mean, they just they've known each other pretty much since he was a few months old. And when they met, they were like, just they couldn't stop having each other having enough of each other. So it was it was a beautiful thing. But yeah, naevus Niva is amazing. And yeah, and we sat down your daughter's doing that, that would be awesome. And yeah, I highly recommend that. That being said, What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?

Sunil Godse 19:02  

So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition, and the power of it. And so like some people want to really hang on to research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm gonna make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal. What's the intrinsic goal what what is really your purpose and when you have your purpose Number one effect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions in whatever situation that you're in. So that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughter's case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals. And the best example I can give with this is, at least the one that I what I had was there was a there's a fellow that has cerebral palsy, and I went down to Toronto to invite him to interview him on leadership, because he's pretty high up in one of the banks. And what he was saying is he got a chance to go on the beach, of course, you know, he's always been in a wheelchair. And you know, he got down to the beach. And people lifted him up, because he wanted to put his feet in the water for this for the first time. And he got up and he fell flat on his face in the water. And he was embarrassed, he looked back. And he said, but like there's that intuitive moment that says I'm done. Versus No, I'm going to take the next steps. Because just because I make mistakes, I'm gonna learn from those mistakes. But it's the actions that matter. And they took one more step, one more step, and he kept going forward. And when he looked back, he couldn't believe how far he had come with this dream of just actually being in the water. And he was pointing his water was up to his chin. So he didn't look back. And so that's where the foresight came in. Right? Because he actually took that step. And he took the next step, and he took the next step. And he reached where he would need to reach. And that's we look back, people sit there dreaming of things like that, and actually making, you know, taking the time, they don't take the action, they don't take the steps, they don't trust their intuition to do that. And there's some statistics actually gathered from Gallup and Harvard, and you look at people actually raising their hand, saying, I want to make a change. There's a roomful of 25,000 people that are actually saying, Yes, I'm going to join that course, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to take this I'm gonna, I'm gonna change my life. In that room for the 25,000, the actual number of people that do it, statistically, is one. So that means 24,400 999. People say they're gonna do it, but they don't. So the question is, why aren't you that one?

Ari Gronich 22:57  

Right? So let me kind of take this in a interesting angle. But let's take let's say we're, we're, we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like, what it is in the world, that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like, we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.

Sunil Godse 24:20  

Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles, that really squash your ability to listen to the, to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it. And you talked about one which is fear. And there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure, there's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. And so what happens is, you have this intuitive signal, and it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you Look at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step right before the end, and the next step and the next step. And pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle. You ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream. And so that's the second one. The third one which comes up a lot in relationships is being way too emotional. And when you're way too emotional, you upset the balance between rat being emotional and logic. And then you start talking yourself out of you know, leaving a relationship or getting away from this person, or, or things like that. And the fourth one is called being too rational, rational. And so this is where your logic dictates, you know, somebody is being logical to you. Yeah, that kind of makes sense, even though it's, it's pulling you away from what you're really meant to do. And so those are the four hurdles that come up. And what those hurdles do is they take, again, they take that positive, intuitive signal, and they squashes it, if you don't recognize when those hurdles are coming up. And so this is where you start getting to fear and you start getting into or we talked about extrinsic motivation, you know, are politicians wanting to, to be in the limelight or have a party or maybe they're doing it for the money, I really don't know what some of their motivations may be. But then they start being deceptive, right, they're still there. You know, we're want to be with corporations. These are just things I've seen in the media that come out, these aren't necessarily my beliefs, but but this is what happens when you get get into sort of these these practices where you're looking at extrinsic motivators is you're just wasting your time. Because you're, you're moving in a direction that's not really meant for you. And you don't have to be rich, you have it monetarily, you need to be rich inside, you know, I had Steve Sims was on my, my podcast interview. And we talked about extrinsic motivation. And, you know, this is a guy that was surrounded by Robert Redford and elton john, and all these people at this huge thing. And he got the watch and the suit and he, you know, got a Ferrari and all that stuff. And he was just saying, I just wasn't me. Right, who is this? This flake that took me over? And yes, he you know, he he's having you know, a hat. He's got his arms around all these actors are there they intuition is a two way street. So as much as his intuition saying something, the intuition of others is also looking to him. And they're probably saying this guy's a flake. So we're not going to do business with them. And they're not going to tell him that. And he started telling me when we talk about extrinsic motivation, he started telling me about a client of his, that was so rich, he had three jets, and he wanted to get the fourth jet, but he couldn't afford it. So he killed himself.

So now, that's an extreme example, of extrinsic motivation. But we can all take these mini extreme examples of things that we hang our hat on square footage house, how is going to look? What brand should I buy? You know, we do it for the wrong motivations. If there's a brand you liked, because it fits nice, it's an you just, you know, that, you know, internally, whether you're doing it for the right reasons, or for the wrong reasons, you know, right. And so a lot of people will default sometimes to looking good. Or, you know, and unfortunately, that's a dopamine hit. Right? It's the wrong one.

Ari Gronich 29:29  

So we have we have this, this whole society, I've been watching the social dilemma and Silicon Valley and some of these shows, and we've created an entire society that's based on external motivation and external reward versus internal motivation, internal reward. You see, you know, the, the proliferation of the selfie. Yeah, is a perfect example of of this. It's awesome. About how am I looking and filters? I mean, gosh, the filters, it's all about how am I looking to the outside world, even though inside, I'm getting ready to go kill myself or I'm depressed, or I'm whatever, but I'm going to put out this look to the world that says that I'm something I'm not. And, you know, you know, it's funny because my intuition, you know, tells me a lot, I tend to to pay attention more than I don't. Yeah, although, you know, there's definitely that that level of intuition that I could use a deeper recognition of. But, you know, I'll give you an example of, of intuition. I was in the hospital dead for 26 minutes before they brought me back, I'm 18 years old. And three days later, I wake up in the hospital bed, I sit up, and I turned and I looked at, I don't remember who it was, but either my brother, my mom or something. And I said, I think I need to be a healer. Wow. Now, if I had stopped there, my entire life would have completely shifted. And I probably like my family would have gone to a university would have, you know, my brother's a triple major, double minor in four years Master's in one. I mean, you know, my mom's a teacher, education was was important. Instead of going to a college, I went to a massage school, like, but I had to go from the idea in the hospital of, I think I need to be a healer, to I'm sending out letters, I'm doing an action based on my intuition. And then from there, the intuition led me to the next place, the end, you know, the intuition is like, you get into that flow state versus getting, like most people, which is pounding through walls, right, we're obstacle driven versus flow driven. And every time I've done anything against my own intuition, which is often I become, you know, this obstacle Buster versus somebody who's like laying down in the flow. So just kind of talk about that a little bit. Because, you know, I would not have been who I am, I probably would not have been able to work with the kind of athletes and professionals and, you know, people in my world that I've, I've been blessed to have an opportunity to have an effect on. Yeah. But that was all because of that intuition. And then that action that went next to it.

Sunil Godse 33:11  

Absolutely. And so even as you're describing it, like, I can even just imagine you sitting up and it's actually playing in my head, you turn in your head, and to me, it's turning to the right, so I'm seeing you do this. And I can just imagine the look on the faces of people who just like, what you want to be a healer. And that's when you start to coming to people that don't really understand why or don't want to take the time to figure out why or to support you in that way moving forward. So that's where people normally could get stuck in that scene, or in that situation. When you start trusting intuition being in that flow state. Now you're seeing doors of opportunity open up, and so they're small, but there's these three or four doors that come in, and you open them up. So for you going into massage, I can see a whole bunch of people looking at that story going, What is he doing? Right? And so so many people get succumb to these external pressures, and you know, the voices, where they don't really understand the context around who you are, because every story comes with some kind of a context. Right? You know, and so this is where you just have to, again, that state of flow, you know, where it's going and going at, it feels easy, right? And you just set it so you've There's your positive signal, that state of flow, what happens is if you meet a door, that's not the one that you want to get into, there's an uneasiness to it and your language is already tells me you're pounding through. So just by the nature of your language, you're telling me the nature of that signal already. Right? And so you can feel that signal, right? I can feel it, you can give me whatever words, but in me, I'm feeling that flow. In me I'm feeling that that nx or there's a pushing against me, and and that that's that initial thing that you have to look at and you don't worry about But everybody else, and don't recognize that things are gonna change, right? I mean, you've gone from, you know, almost dying to being a massage therapist, and now, you know, athletes and all these really wonderful people trusting you for advice for their performance. And now you're looking at some high, high level elite people coming to you. Right? Right. So look at the value of that based on the journey you took. So when we talk about looking back, and looking forward, as we talked about earlier, all you did was look forward and you kept going down the path. Now, when you look back, of course, these people are going to trust you, because you followed your intuition to do the right thing. And, you know, nobody, everybody makes mistakes. I still I you know, as much as I talk about intuition, yeah, you know, I get emotional with my family, I get emotional with friends. You know, I'll make some decisions, I'll test something out at even though I knew that I shouldn't have and I did that with a venture that I said, this is not going to work. But let's test it, because I heard some things from some friends that it's a great venture, it ended up being the wrong partner. And it just wasn't but and I sunk a tiny bit of money in to test by intuition. And sure enough, you know, I just my intuition, so, you know, even me talking about it, is are going to go through ups and downs, but there's a lot more ups and the downs, and I don't have to be popular, I'm not looking to change the world. You know, as a whole, I'm just looking to change one person at a time. And that's it. And to me, that's how I'm gonna live my life. Right? I'm not looking to get make it in Forbes, or, you know, men's journal, or whatever it is, if those opportunities come because people are interested to hear my story. That's the intuitive path. But I'm not looking there for egotistical reasons to say, look at who I am, right. And if you get back to social media, right, with these people that, you know, somebody posted this two days ago, where they spent money on an influencer that had 8 million followers, 8 million followers, the number of sales that this person had after spending, I don't know, $50,000 was something like 26. Right. And I've heard that consistent. Somebody had, you know, 10 million followers, they wants to sell shirts, six sales. And it's because when you have that social media, when you're looking at eye candy, yeah, okay, maybe some of us are gonna stop at that eye candy, go, Wow, that's great. But you don't have a deepening deep enough a relationship with someone that are going, that's deep enough to say, you're consistent in your messaging. Like, even if you stop one on something, you see the charlatans on social media, I'm gonna make a million dollar, you can make million dollars or $1,000, or whatever it get 20,000, or whatever it is, you get this messaging, it may pause you saying, Yeah, I want that. And then when you dig a bit deeper, you find that there's some inconsistency is in either what they're saying, or who their clients are, or the testimonials because I do this research. Or, you know, maybe something's not right, something's not lining up. And if you, if there's something that's inconsistent, now you've lost that deepening relationship, like you really have to be consistent in that relationship, to deepen to a two way trusted, intuitive relationship, that my intuition saying you can be trusted your intuition saying, I can be trusted, when that's two way, now I'm ready to spend my money on you, or spend my time with you, or spend my effort with you. Because I trust you, and that trust has to be consistent. If your values change over time, my intuition is going to pick up on that. So you can be in the perfect relationships to start business or personal. But don't forget, we're two different people. I may be more in tune with your intuition you may not be and if you start screwing up somewhere down the road, don't forget my intuition, my relational intuition and situational intuition is constantly watching, right. And so when there's a dichotomy, my negative signals are going to send warning sign science to say, listen, maybe we should back off. Yeah, so

Ari Gronich 38:51  

so the song as you're talking comes to my head. Yeah, I'm gonna sing it even though I can't do it. Justice. You're too jaded. Yes, Aerosmith. jaded. Yep. Right. So okay, we have intuition we get jaded we get once intuition still jaded. Twice. Yep. intuition. Still jaded. Three, two, all of a sudden, how do you trust your intuition anymore if you're constantly becoming jaded. So I'll give you an example. I think that I am jaded when it comes to pretty much any digital marketer at this point in time. I think that the digital marketing world for the most part has become this fraudulent thing that you know purports on. Basically procedures versus results, just like the medical system. You know, the incentive is, if I post three times a day, then you pay me this amount, but if I post five, which doesn't take me any more time to do then it's a totally different amount and I don't care what your results are because I can't guarantee him, because you know, so I'm fully jaded when it comes to that world at this point.

Sunil Godse 40:07  

Yep. So I'll give you this is right up my alley, because this is something I've been looking at, you know, because that's part of the business model that I have, you know, there's a digital marketing element to it. So when I, and this has taken a number of years, because of the jadedness and the number of charlatans that are out there, and people that I trusted, that some of them have, you know, taken my money, because they were trusting at some point, but then you find out later that, you know, this is not so, so, so valuable, because I can get that free information anywhere else. Right. Some of the things that I've looked at is, uh, when they come up this I can do you know, Facebook, I'm a digital marketing expert. Okay, so what's their digital marketing footprint? So they're good in Facebook? What's your Instagram, say? What's their YouTube say? And I'll take a look at the numbers and some of the clients numbers, who they say and some cases when they have testimonials, I've actually looked at the people where the testing was coming from if I can, and some of them like, just Yeah, I don't see that success. I don't see this. And in one case, there was I had a podcast guest where he had some really excellent numbers on YouTube. And when the when the cameras are off, I asked him about his like, was she really someone who and why, right? If you spent money on someone for YouTube advice, why did you do that? And I'm looking and listening to what what he was saying, as his marketing speak, or does he really is really telling me the truth, because in the end, it's my money and my time. Another one I've seen again, what's what's up, I just had a really good example. Shoot, I wish I had anyways, it may come to me. But it's, again, it's the inconsistency in what they're saying versus what they're doing. Or it's one niche that they've really, really been been good at. It's not my niche, or they've been good in one area, they've had one hit with it, what's one homerun doesn't make them a great baseball player. And so I'm looking for those kind of consistencies, and in consistencies, because ultimately, you know, I want to put my my money where I want, where I'm going to get the best best bang for my buck. But that

Ari Gronich 42:14  

sounds a lot like assessing a situation and environment instead of assessing the into assessing the environment versus utilizing intuition. Right. So intuition, to me, is that inner voice, while what you're talking about is looking at the external evidence. And so that's where I'm where i i'd like to, so that what what I'm hearing you say is, you take the intuition, you match it with evidence before you make that decision, right? So so not sure if that's what you're saying, that's just what I'm hearing?

Sunil Godse 42:51  

Yeah, so so I'll always get the first instance of whether I trust this person or not. So the very, very first time I see an ad, or the very first time I see someone doing well, or I hear podcasts, interview somebody doing something, I'll try and get a sense of whether I believe that person or not, if I don't believe that person, right up start, then that person's lost me, I'm not even gonna dive in any more deeper. But for me to I need to believe that person. Remember, those are the four types of intuition. And so, so the first one is relational intuition, is going to be me trusting that person right away. And the second is situational is, if I find there, and I like a fancy beach and a car. Those kinds of things that are tried and true, are they using mantras that everybody said you should do that, like some people waving high to get your attention, and, you know, there's some real stupid things that are out there that are just that they're not deepening my relationship. So if they've got me enough that I see this person is genuine, and I'm gonna get a deep enough relationship with and I trust them? I'll take that. take the next step and say, Okay, let's see what experiential intuition has to do with this. Before I move on, and it that it takes it's very quick. it for me, it's, it's really, you know, if somebody comes up, I hear someone on the podcast, I will note their name down, I will quickly stop the podcast and I'll take a look. within one minute, I'll know whether I want to dive deeper into what this person is saying or not. Right? So 60 seconds, is what I give myself. And the research actually shows it takes seven seconds to trust someone. Seven seconds and other research was showing this is all the research that your intuition acts actually, at that time, seven to 10 seconds before you actually make a decision or take an action. neurology research that's coming up neuroscience research is coming up hasn't been published yet. That's as up to 23 seconds before you actually make a decision. So for me, I'm giving myself a bit of time to really confirm my intuitive, should I dive deeper or not? And it for me it's 60 seconds versus I think, rather than you know, A couple of days or four days, and if I if I don't get that within that 60 is gone. I don't care what that person is selling me later or if they get recommended by someone else, because that intuitive hit in my mind is really deep. And so that's why I really don't listen to a lot of them. I mean, there's so many pitches up there. Hmm.

Ari Gronich 45:20  

So I'm going to go into the animal kingdom for a second, because you mentioned the neurology. Yep. You know, we all know that a dog can kind of predict an earthquake a couple days in advance. Yeah. And we all know that we're animals, even though we try to pretend that we're not. Right. Yep. So is that a function of intuition? Or is that a function of sensory? If it's a function of sensory? How does somebody increase their sensory perception in order to increase their intuition? And if that is possible at all, and then I want to talk a little bit, I know that you and I talked in our pre interview about the the Native Americans. So I want to talk about the neurology and I want to I want to I want to get into the fMRI is what parts of the brain kind of light up when you're being intuitive? Is that a different part of the brain when the intuition is positive or negative? So let's get into kind of the weeds of that a little bit.

Sunil Godse 46:24  

Yeah, absolutely. So, so the when you're thinking about it, and I think that's a great example, with, with the dogs and all that, because animals are naturally a little bit more intuitive, they're a lot more, there's a heightened sensitivity to their environment. And so I think physiologically, they're much better than we are, or neurologically, they're much better than we are, they are better adept at sensing and triggering on that sensing, then we are, we seem to be more consumed with everything else around us, we've got a lot more things bombarding us that we seem to numb that initial sensing that the real intuitive signal saying something's wrong, and we have a tendency to keep moving, maybe it's curiosity, maybe we're just numb to the initial signals, whatever it is, we have this this innate ability to just keep moving on until we keep making bad decisions. And we seem to want to learn from failure a lot more. Whereas animals have that heightened sense, neurologically. And so they're able to be much more in tune with, with their intuition. And so we were talking on the pre interview as well, when I had this indigenous person join me on intuition, he was saying that what they used to do is look to the animals because the animals sense danger a couple of days before, they did, and at that time, you know, they didn't have cars and things like that they just had a couple of days warning that they had to pick up, you know, pack everything and move, because there was some kind of danger that was there. And they're not going to sit around saying what that sum is. They're just kind of move. And so it's very, very important for them to do that.

Ari Gronich 48:02  

Right. So we were talking on the pre interview about the Native Americans. Yeah. And how in Vietnam, during the war, may have even been Korea, I don't remember if if it was both, but they would have the Native Americans who joined the military, and were known for their tracking skills. But because it's the military, they would shave off their hair. Yeah. And when they would go into the jungle, they wouldn't be able to do the tracking, like they had been before. So as we're tracking the enemy, and we're trying to be the scouts, so to speak, not to put a defamatory, you know, title on anything, but Indian scouts would go out for the military and try to find the enemy and and so on. And they couldn't do it. But what they found when they studied that is that the only difference between them being able to track well and not track well was the length of their hair. And if they allowed them to grow back their hair, all of a sudden, they were able to track again. So the hair follicles attached to the nervous system we have these muscles called the erector pili which otherwise are known as goosebumps. And we have the sayings like the hair on the back of my head is standing up so we know that hair has a sensory perception on the environment. And what do we say if somebody is nervous? If somebody's nervous like my hair standing up, get the aren't your you know those goosebumps on your arm you get the chills right these are signals to into Are they not?

Sunil Godse 50:01  

Yes they are. And so when we got off the phone, I immediately went to my wife and I told her about that story because and my daughter's I just absolutely fascinating. But here's where where people may want to try and understand what intuition is like from a scientific perspective. We all know that everything is consists of energy. Yeah, right. And so we've got, you know, atoms and protons, neurons moving around. And they, they develop some kind of energy and Kerwin Ray explained intuition in back in 2007, using sort of energetic type of things. And we all know that even any material, there's, there's its mass and energy. And so when you have here that's a little longer, you've got a lot more energy around you, that affects you, that's able to pick up on things that are able to sense things. And so there's also another famous experiment that one of the neurologists did I forget his name now, but he had people who had their limbs cut off and use things of mirror neurons, the front to see them in a mirror, where they can actually now see the other limb, although it's not there, and feel, okay. So these things called mirror neurons are sending some kind of energy so that it's just giving, it's settling their systems down. And so another question I used to ask myself to some of my podcast guests, is, were you ever connected to someone where you knew something had gone wrong? And so when Nick Bradley was on saying, Yeah, he knew his dog got shot, and he was nowhere close, someone had his newest father had cancer, someone knew that they, you know, somebody fell in a pool, and they're halfway around the world. So if you look at equating this to some kind of an emotional connection, energetically between now the mirror neurons, that other person that's carried in some kind of memory in your brain, so that you're not physically there. But you're energetically connected at a very fast pace, irrespective of the distance. And so if you're, if you allow yourself to open your mind to that, then a lot of these things can be explained.

Ari Gronich 52:03  

So how can we energetically then connect to the collective unconscious and the collective consciousness? And I know, this is a thing like with twins, they always know what's going on with their other half. You know, those kinds of things. But we also know that some kid woke up one day and remembered that he was, you know, in the 1940s War, and he knew exactly who he fought in the war with. Yep. And they were still alive. And then he met them like this. I remember reading this story is Wow, really fascinating. This kid, you know, has basically past life is like many lives, many masters great book, by the way. You know, you have these this past life, he's actually telling the soldiers who are now in their 80s, and he's a young kid, about their experiences that he had with them during the war. Wow. And so that energetic connection we call it that this is their old life that they're energetically connected to one of my favorite movies is a movie called dead again, it's got Robin Williams Kenneth Branagh, and it's about people who die in in a previous life and find each other in the next in their next life, but they meet somebody else who was alive in their in both lives. So it's a theme, I guess, that I'm always interested in intrigued by. But that collective conscious collective unconscious, that energetic pull that we have. The question is, why can't we seem to get that intuition more developed? I guess, after these many 1000s of years, being that we're so connected by wires this these days, right, and wireless, and then where is it that in the neurons where's it in the brain in those connections that we light up? You know, with intuition, I mean, yeah,

Sunil Godse 54:25  

absolutely. So from a neurological perspective, the big thing is the amygdala, and and just above the amygdala on the on both sides of the brain. And I can always share with you a, an MRI that I have, if you want to use it for your purses, but where they mapped intuition, but the big one comes up into Mickey less when they neurons come up the amygdala is the first thing that's where you kind of feel it's the first fight or flight. Everything happens from there, and then it branches off from there. So that's one of the main new areas where intuition really lights up and a couple of things in that

Ari Gronich 54:56  

frontal that's really the reptilian side.

Sunil Godse 54:58  

Exactly, exactly. The reptilian That's, that's the first sort of point of contact, if you will. And you write with the, you know, with this where things are passed down. I actually did interview a Buddhist monk, and Bunty Serna. Bala had had believed that intuition gets passed down from generation to generation. Because it's energy. And I think the reason why we don't is you've kind of set it, we're in this wireless wired world, we've got societal norms, we're always trying to keep up with the Joneses. And we just haven't spent that time with ourselves. And a lot of intuitive moments have come from those just, you know, going to India, or being with themselves. And going to India is more symbolic of just really getting in touch with themselves. I mean, Steve Jobs did it. I interviewed this Johannes Linstead, he was a major jazz players won tons of awards, intuition just drives his music. And he's got millions of downloads, and you know, everything changed after he went to India, right. And this is Beatles to the Beatles, or Beatles. Absolutely. And, and so that India's is symbolic of you just spending that time with yourself. And if you look at even the research in epigenetics, where you're looking at things that are passed down from one generation to another, there's a very famous study where they took mice, and what it is when this, this mice came to this, this type of flower, at cherry blossom flower that has some kind of almond smell, it was very, very particular, they would shock the feet of these mice to the point where they didn't need to shock the feet anymore, that they just came up to that flower, and they just jolted. And it turns out, that the next generation, they didn't have to do anything every time that their the the the babies went to this same flower, they jolted right. So there's that line of epigenetic, same, okay, we have some things in our genes that we've been conditioned to, in this lifetime, that we're going to pass on to the next generation. We just don't know what that is, or what that map is. I'm sure everybody would love to do that. Because then we kind of act like robots say that I'm doing this for my son or daughter. But there's some evidence there that that you can correlate to say that yes, you know, intuition does get passed down. And but it, it all depends on how you're going to be affected. Like I can pass down my intuitive abilities to my kids. But it depends on what their influences are. They're in school eight hours a while now they're at home. They've got other friends, they've got other influences. How do they as an individual react to all those other influences, even though I've given them this gift of intuition, however minor or major, they've taken it. And it's really up to them as an individual as to how they manage that, how much they fail and figure out they got to come back to intuition. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm able to talk to this talk about this to my two daughters. But, I mean, how rare is that, right? I mean, nobody talked to me about intuition. And I had an intuitive hit at five years old. When I was five, my dad had video games that were too expensive. And this voice told me, that's not what you want to go up here. And you need to go door to door to raise money. And that's what I did. I took my little brother until I went door to door I raised 200 bucks. $100 went to my dad $100 went to charity, I couldn't sat down a sit down for about probably about 15 or 20 minutes after that, because my dad didn't believe in, in, you know, bothering people. But I so distinctly remember that voice, loud and clear. I remember what I'm looking at where I was, where my house was, it is so vivid, and five years old. Right? You had seven, right?

Ari Gronich 58:34  

Yeah, I look at that and I go What is the cost and this is directed towards the audience. And by the way, you know, all of these shows that we do are for you listening, so that you really can get these techniques and tips and tricks so that you can spend your life living the passionate life that you want activating your vision. So I just wanted to repeat that you know, for anybody to like subscribe rate review, but mostly to comment on on the shows so that we can actually have a dialogue and conversation about what we're talking about. So back to that so what it sounds like to me when you're saying that is that intuition beyond just the the training beyond the genetics, can be learned. What can be taught can be you know, focused on but what it is that I'm hearing is I'm hearing in my head, but I have to look at all my emails but I have to you know, check my social media and my Instagram but I have to watch the latest show of this but I have to have in mind you I don't have a TV so this is not in my right you know, realm but this is the The argument that I'm hearing from the masses, right? Yep, yep. And that's why I bring it up to the audience. But the argument I hear from the masses are but but but but I have to do doo doo doo, doo. Now I, I've been a sweat lodge goer and vision Questor and things like that. And so I've spent a lot of time with myself. I've been divorced. And I spent a lot of time with myself and Amir wailing and crying for hours and hours and hours, right, I've spent a lot of time on myself. And I still don't know who I am, you know, and who I want to be when I grow up, I know I want to have a cool impact on the world, I don't really care if I have the credit for it, I just want to see it done. Right. My goal is we need to get some shit done. And it's time for us to really move on that and create it today, you know, create our new tomorrow today, and activate our vision now for a better world. And so I've got that this passion about doing more, I don't care about the credit. I know, I remember, you know, earlier in the conversation, you were talking about that. But for the audience, you know, like spending time alone. So one of the things that my my shaman told me, during a sweat lodge one time is his, he said 18 seconds of pure meditation is equivalent to an entire week of work. Wow. And this was from a Zen monk that used to go to the sweat lodge. And he would say that he would get into a deeper state of meditation in the sweat lodge than he would just by trying to meditate, according to Hoyle, so to speak, just be you know, you're in a dark room, and you really don't have anything you can look at or see or focus on other than the those hot stones in the steam and the heat. But I'm 18 seconds of pure thought, equivalent to one full week of work. And I think that if people understood how important that hour of meditation and planning before and at the end of your day, you know, half hour before half hour at the end, whatever, whatever it is time wise, that little bit of time to meditate on what your day is going to be to ask the question my friend, Keith, he's a journalist, book, author, publisher. I mean, he's awesome. His latest book is about the angels and walking, it's called walking with angels. And one of the things that he's done, and this has been probably 1520 years that I've known him, he's done this all the time is he'll start off his day. And he'll just ask a question, what do I do next to move me forward? In the best way the fastest? What's my next step? And then he doesn't do anything. But wait, and listen.

And he's been a very successful publisher, who's, you know, published over 300 plus books, 400 books, he's, you know, friends with all the people that other people would want to be friends with. Right? Yep. But he doesn't care about that. It was what do I do today to move me forward? The best way that I can? And so I look at that and go, Okay, how do we get? And I know I I'm definitely a person who's, uh, should I should on people, and how do I get people to write? But how do we get people to realize how powerful taking that extra time from doing and into being and asking how important that is? And then the listening, so I just wanted to, I know

Sunil Godse 1:04:26  

I rambled for a little bit, I don't, no problem. So So I found that there's four groups of people that, that that fall into this, if we're looking at trusting intuition, there's going to be the very minor that get it they get the intuitive signals. More often they're they're making your decisions and intuition like Keith, and I was surprised even yourself, you're at a higher level of trusting intuition than others. So that's the that's the first group. The second group is one that show me proof that it happens and unless They have the proof that they will even move forward. And so once they have enough, sort of the whole reason for my second book gut was to Okay, here's a memorize, to show that it's just my opinion. But here's some memorize. And then here's some people I've interviewed, because this is what they've also experienced. And so that was the whole reason, a premise of gut is to prove to those people that the third group I find are those that you know, just they just don't understand intuition like they get the feelings, but they don't understand what it is. And a really good example is a friend of mine who is john Ross, child, Chairman and CEO of of Kara foods limited at the time I interviewed him, but four years now, four and a half years back, he was my first first interview, interviewee with intuition ology. He just said, Listen, you know, see, I don't, I don't understand what you're doing intuition. Fine. You know, I'll give you an hour. But we'll talk about intuition. Five minutes in there, maybe we'll have a laptop for the rest of the time, I'd catch up. And so he at that time, a lot of the research was sort of spiritual natured cosmic and and that's fine. If that's what you think intuition is? Absolutely. I'm not here to shove any definition down how you think intuition feels or where it comes from. That's not my goal. for him. He is an investment banker. And so data, Excel spreadsheets modeling, ruled his world, I mean, that paid him three to $4 million a year. So he's not going to think oh, I omens and all that. And he actually says in the video, you can hear so yeah, almonds, I really would like to shake the guy had guy's hand has that intuition. Yeah, doesn't really come into decisions. That's at the start of the interview. Now, I'm starting to slowly educate him that about the four types of intuition. And that it is based on data. And in some cases, you make decisions that you feel that go against the data. And he goes, Oh, I have an IQ. I have an example of that. So he's filling the blanks with all these stories of his, and he's almost self educating himself, on intuition. And, and so when he went against the data, he opened a franchise, which in a five and a half location where he would never touch it, unless it was a nine, that franchise location ended up being one of the best in their restaurant portfolio ever, in their 20 year history. And it's very, very last one hour in, and I said, Okay, whenever you made a really obtuse decision that people thought you were nuts, this is that creative intuition piece. And he says, oh, I've got a story for you. So this is a guy making three to $4 million a year private jets, high end restaurants, limousines, and he trades it all off, because his intuition says, here's a bankrupt of the restaurant, this is your purpose. And I'm sure his friends were, you know, on the speed dial with some psychiatrists saying, I have a client for you, you know, because people thought he was nuts. And he said, No, I quit. And I walked in to that restaurant. That tiny bankrupt little restaurant was Eastside, Mario's location number one. And that grew, he grew that over 20 years to a $2 billion franchise operation with the acquisition and all based on an intuitive decision. And the fourth group are unfortunately, those people that have to hit rock bottom, before they actually find out that intuition is actually speaking them signals. And I've heard this time and time and time again. And perhaps again, one of my earlier interviews was someone who don't know intuition. Not sure. I'm not I don't want to be on camera. And so I said, Okay, listen, let's get on camera. Don't worry, we'll film crew, we'll make it conversational. And the question then starts coming. I said, When? When did you? When did intuition impact your life? And she looked right at me and she goes, Well, the moment I trusted intuition was because I ignored it, which got me sexually assaulted.

That was the very first statement and the next 45 minutes, we all go down the different four types of intuition where what we're all we're all the signals, whereas the situational intuition, where it's relational intuition, and of course, we didn't say it in those formal terms, but all the evidence was there. And the time and time again, once the evidence was presented, I should have I shouldn't have kept coming. And she just kept walking and walking and walking, because she felt you need to be a good friend. Other people were saying she should be there, all these external things, and she wasn't listening to it. She was telling me I knew I knew I knew all these different details. She knew she should have moved away. And this is a bodybuilder, right? She was she was competing, yet this guy was still able to overpower and this alter. So you know, those are the four groups.

Ari Gronich 1:09:30  

Yeah, you know, I have unfortunately, and fortunately, because of my background have having been sexually assaulted. And, you know, from age three, into my teens, multiple people multiple ways multiple times. One of my focuses was working with PTSD and emotional release and trauma work and I've had the blessing of working with a lot of women. And a couple Men, not not very many men, but a lot of women on that issue, you know, and it's funny because this is a very controversial way of doing the work, I kind of combine Tantra and deep emotional release and breathwork with psychedelics, so mushroom or something of the sort, just to get the brain out of the way. But you know, the issues are in the tissues and somatic trauma needs somatic therapy. Right. But what I've found is that in every case, there was some kind of intuition that they looked back on, if they were old enough to have have a memory of that kind of thing. There was an intuition that they ignored. Like you were saying, Yeah, it was an intuition that was ignored. That said, This is not right. But somehow, they ignored that intuition. And the event happened. Almost every single person that I've worked on that way. So the question then becomes, and and I would, I could talk to you for another 10 hours. So I'm, you know, I'm just saying, but what are the ways that somebody can improve their intuition, follow their intuition. I know for me, and I'll just kind of go back to a quick story when I was in school, for being a therapist, and healer and all that. I used to have like a Twitch, it would go like this, my eye, the muscle under my eye would Twitch. Okay. And so I couldn't get the muscle to stop twitching. And it was annoying. So I thought about it, and I and all of a sudden, I said, Okay, somebody is trying to get my attention, something is trying to get my attention. It's a signal. And so I imagined that a fish hook was on my eye muscle basically twitching it going, hello, hello, I'm trying to get your attention, right. Or, I had tinnitus. And so my ear would start like this high pitched Bell tone. And all of a sudden, I thought, okay, maybe somebody is trying to tell me something, and I'll have to translate it later. But if I stop when I hear that noise in my ear, and I just close my eyes, and listen, I figure I'll translate it later. But I, and all of a sudden, it may be last a minute or half a minute or some and then it goes away, and it's gone. But I consider those things to be intuition or some outside force trying to get my attention and inform me of something that I need to stop. So that's one of my ways. Get let's let's get into some tips, tricks, you know, techniques that people can actually do in order to build their intuition today.

Sunil Godse 1:13:21  

Absolutely. Okay. So this is a perfect segue into so the seven day challenge, and you can always take that it's free up my website. So in the seven day challenge, this is what happens. And so you have the website, yep. It's intuition ology, calm, you'll see if you get the free ebook, it'll drive you to the seven day challenge, just because what the whole point is, it's great that you have the E book that talks about intuition, I want you to actually get you to solve a problem, even before anything else happens with you and me like and that's the template you take for any decision. If you get the E book, take the seven day challenge. And you just use that templates. It's a downloadable PDF. You're done. And then you're you've got that process. And I actually have two case studies of people who go through every single day with the decisions that they've done. JOHN Harris goes through it and he was actually selling his house. He took the seven days to look at, okay, I'm going to sell my house. I'm studying the seven day challenge and he went from a minus $20,000. He was actually going to say yes to a loss of $20,000. By the seventh day, he said yes to a $50,000 over asking. So you actually made a $70,000 decision in those seven days. The other person is actually Michelle. She was actually victim to a homicide. She walked into her boyfriend's apartment he had killed someone locked the doors behind him.

Put a knife to her back said your next. Her intuition told her to remain calm. She was assaulted. She was choked. She was asked to clean up the blood. She saw the body in the bathtub. horrific stuff happened to her. Her intuition kept her alive. She got the moment to run out and go down 18 flights of stairs and call 911 she was dealing with A lot of PTSD, depression and anxiety. So she started the seven day challenge to say, Okay, how do I start reducing this? It's not good curate this, let me reduce it using intuition. So basically, the steps are here, you start with an issue or problem that you have, and you identify it. And what you do is you look back on what didn't work. And when you look at what on those, those decisions that you went back to look at that didn't work. It's what did you feel in that moment? Now you're what you're doing is you're getting those inventory of negative signals? Because you didn't it didn't work, right. And so you want to keep thinking about that as much as you can. If you get a, let's say, a voice. Was there a signal before that? Was there a decision that you made before that that led you to that decision, and you want to keep going as back as you can, for as long as you need to? To do that. The next thing you do is you put yourself into what I call an intuitive medium. So a sweat lodge is good. Meditation is good. I often think in the shower or just before going to bed, what what is the activity you're doing? Or the environment, you can put yourself in, that you can sit and think clearly about what solution is to the decision. And when you have that, then what you're going to do is now you're going to be open to your positive intuitive signals and the negative ones, and start thinking about what are the some of the things that you need to do to move forward. And so now you start developing your positive signals, because you're not hampered by the negative ones. And there could be some negative ones that come up in their environment as well. So you need to add that to their inventory. Right. Next, you want to take a look at your environment. We talked about this earlier, what do you need to change in your environment? Do you need to move? Do you need to move away from technology? Do you have to do less TV? What is it about your environment? And you? I mean, this is something that you need to understand for that problem? What do you need to change, that's going to help you solve that problem. The next step is the people around you for that problem. So of the people in your circle, how many are going to help you for that problem directly that you can intuitively trust is going to support you through that problem and give you the right information that you trust. Now, it doesn't necessarily have to be your best friend, if that best friend who you trust anyways, is not related to that problem. It's just the group of people that you can put yourself in that you really trust. And I go through four different groups in that seven day challenge of where you can put people in, then you plan Okay, what are the next steps? So now that I've got positive negative signals? What are my positive signals that are telling me, okay, do I take that if I take the step, what are my signals, it's a positive signal, I'm going to write that step down. And I'm going to keep doing that until I get enough steps that I can. And then the last is take action. And that's when you actually take Okay, of those seven or 10 steps, which are the easiest to do. Because it's the first one easiest, not in terms of effort, easy in that this is the first one I know is the first one I need to do. Because there's a there's a sort of a chain that that high priority, the priority, right. And then in that seven day challenge, what I do is at the start day one, you actually measure your intuition based on, there's a strength that you get based on some questions. So it's an intuitive quiz, you take the seven, you take the intuitive quiz again, and 100% of the time of the people have gone through that there's over 50,000 people now who've gone through and more than that, who've gone through this, this, this challenge of this, this way of dealing with their problems 100% of the time, just in seven days, their intuition has strengthened and it's because you're you're actually giving time, for a few minutes a day to solve that problem. you're you're you're you're not focused on social media, you're not focused, because I've got I've got a worksheet that you're working on, you're in the moment of focusing on that problem where you should be. And the more you are, the stronger your intuition gets. And then you just use that template for every other problem. In whatever situation you are in life, right? If it's personal professional, that same same procedure works every single time. And it's very simple. These are your signals, these are your environments, these are your the people around you, this is fully customizable to your problem. It has nothing to do with me or some proprietary processes, some academic paper, this is your this is what works. And it's very simple. And so that's that's what I would suggest people do.

Ari Gronich 1:19:26  

Awesome. Thank you so much for for being here for you know, exploring all of this madness and, and intuition. I mean, you know, I know that I tend to take people on on awkward journeys through information nonlinearly and and ask questions that I think most interviewers you know, don't really ask as often but I like to get down deep and dirty. You know, like, I really want, what I want for this show for, for people in general is for them to be able to take these, these episodes and act upon the things that are in them so that they can change the world. That's my purpose. And, and I'm, I'm blessed, you know, to be able to interview people like you that have unusual, you know, jobs, unusual ways of going about what you're doing, and have so much success that you can easily explain and entertain at the same time. And so, I think that people are really getting a lot out of this. My last question to you is really about the nature of people, and how the nature of people changes the ability to use their intuition. And what I mean by that is, people tend human beings tend to have faith based on fear. So if you ever listen to anybody who's who asks, If you believe it's, are you fearful of God, if you want to be successful, you have to be, you know, fearful of God, not in love with God, not, you know, like, enamored by the information in the word, right, but fearful of the consequences. Versus, you know, looking towards the benefits. So we have this, this dichotomy is people. And so the question becomes faith versus intuition, right. And the nature of people, how do we develop? And this is, it's a, it's a hard question you may not have, but how do we develop the intuition that goes along with the compassion that goes along with the wish to do no harm, to have peace, to create a world for everybody that is successful and happy? You know, I get that we need the contrast. Right. But we've contracted so far over to one side, that, you know, I want to I want to do everything I can to bring it back to that side of love and peace, you know, even if it's a pipe dream. So

Sunil Godse 1:22:50  

how do you Yeah, and the way I can answer this is just sort of, through my lens, so to speak. And so the way I because I get bombarded with a lot of these messages. And we can, we can just really extrapolate that to a lot of the messages that you get out, but ultimately, what it what are you affected by, right. And so when I get these messages of fear, or fear based things, or people giving advice or circumstances that are happening, I'm in the driver's seat. So I control the ability to react to that in whatever way I want. And so it's like a shield like a, you know, I've got one of these shields, and you come in, and it just bounces off interesting. You've got my attention, or you might not have, but ultimately, the things that drive me are the ones that are going to really, again, it just I get that pull that I know this is the right thing. And I'll give you a very, very good example. Because it just happened a couple of weeks ago, I was watching this really great video from Prince EA. And really, it was really inspirational. And the messaging was really good. And I just happen to go through and he gets tons of comments. But what I noticed that that comments was, there was some of them saying, I need to talk to someone. And so my intuition drew me to say, Listen, you need to reach out to this guy. It was just one of, I don't know, 3000 comments that were there. But somehow I focused on that one. And I reached out and I said, Hey, listen, DM me, and here's my number. Give me a call. Now, it could be a salesperson, or you know, you don't know. But there was a guy that was four months behind in his payments, child support payments, he tried every single job he can, and he was at wit's end. And he was about to really he led his life go, he really was at that stage. And he was it was just the depths of despair. And so within half an hour, we had this talk about Okay, what are you passionate about? This is a 2020 year veteran of welding, work at gas stations, retail outlets, and it turns out very quickly that he has a passion for fishing. He somehow wants to dabble in digital marketing, and he wants to be something for his daughter. And he's got a phone and like, oh, bingo. Well, there are some dots that connect. Okay, so he and he himself says now there's a lot of people doing fishing wrong and I mean, the story is just right. They're, I mean, just connect the dots, you got digital media, you got fishing videos, you can do what people are doing wrong, you can make money by using affiliate on selling lures or fishing tackle, and I'm not in the fishing space. So I'm just riffing based on what I think is there. And so you need to create content that people are not only going to be interested in saying, you know, you can catch a bigger fish in this area, but you can catch a bigger fish in this area, and I tested these two lures, you need the orange one, and by the way, it's 1999. And then you become an affiliate member, right? Or you do a membership on you know, if you have that confidence, but it has to be believable. And I told them intuition is a two way street. If your blessing, you know, people may see it's, it's really good, or you're not giving enough information where you're actually selling something genuinely. And because you believe it, then you're going to get people saying, Yeah, that's great tip. See later, right. So within 30 minutes, we had mapped out a plan. And the excitement in this guy's voice was amazing. And I told him, I'm going to be checking up on you in about a month or two to make sure that you actually follow through on what we just discussed. Right? So here was something the story doesn't necessarily have to be that cathartic. The issue is something pulled me there. Something that that moment of time that I gave gave gave me the focus there, I'm there's other videos that say Yeah, well, that's a great message, I don't believe you, I'm gone. And it's it's that ability to really be in the moment, allow things through this filter into the filter, so to speak, that's actually going to help you move your life forward, that's actually going to take those steps that you know, need to be taken forward. And believing that the information you get the people you trust, the situations you put yourself in, move you that that way forward. And it happens in a split second. So that's why it's so important to know what those intuitive signals are that move you that way. Remember that for me it was that pulling whatever happened after that pulling was meant to happen, because I trust my intuition to do that. And thankfully, this affected this, this this man, but these are laggard indicators that we look at the money, the happiness, the changing of people, in your case athletes, affecting people. Those are laggard indicators that happen when we use leading indicators, like actually just taking action taking the steps. So we should never focus on the laggard indicators. We focus on taking the steps and every single step you take. Remember that guy who has cerebral palsy, you just don't know realize how far you've come until you look back later. But look back later. Right.

Ari Gronich 1:27:30  

Well, thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you?

Sunil Godse 1:27:34  

Is intuitionist.com is there my email address is Sunil at sunil godse.com I'm on all the socials LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, I'm making a move on tik tok. So trying that instance I'm not doing any crazy dances but I will be well I did with my daughters because they wanted me to do one. But I gotta be careful. Not gonna

Ari Gronich 1:27:53  

weapon and naini

Sunil Godse 1:27:55  

No, I think that would be where my shake. That's where people go. My followers will go down for sure.

Ari Gronich 1:28:03  

Oh, come on. You can harlem shake it? Wait, I must be old that was that was many years ago. The harlem shake. What's the newest one? flash mob? No, we're not doing flash.

Sunil Godse 1:28:15  

I did try my my thing at breakdancing way back when so you know I had the cardboard and a helmet and I had a buddy of mine and

Ari Gronich 1:28:22  

you have the cardboard and helmet Did you have the parachute pants? I had the parachute pants.

Sunil Godse 1:28:27  

You know I couldn't at that time couldn't afford it. But you know as much as you know, I think we just want to in the basement first if we if we could do the worm. We did and luckily I had my helmet because that worm got me into a wall and this worm a turning into a butterfly soon that's for sure.

Ari Gronich 1:28:53  

Stop hammertime

Sunil Godse 1:28:56  

But yeah, so I need the socials email me DM me. I'm happy to answer any questions and yeah, take the seven day challenge. I mean, it's free and and find out how intuition can solve your problem. And now you got a template for life. So you know have a go at her.

Ari Gronich 1:29:08  

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for for being here. sunil. Remember, you can always find us add create a new tomorrow calm or achieve health usa.com. Remember to check out the book a new tomorrow.com it's on Amazon as well as on the website. So you can take a look at that. And like subscribe rate review, comment below. Let's have a discussion. Let's talk about this. Let's figure out stuff that will help us all move forward together. Thank you so much to sunil. This has been another great episode with Ari Gronich and Sunil Godse. Let's experience creating a new tomorrow today and activating our vision for a better world. Have a good day. great rest of your day. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I Repeat all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.