Episode 58 of the NonProphets podcast, in which Atief, Robert, and Scott talk to Byron Reese about his new book, The Fourth Age: Smart Robots, Conscious Computers, and the Future of Humanity. We talk what motivated the book (00:33); what "the Fourth Age" is (02:00); the role of ideas and culture in history (07:35); whether automation will cause technological unemployment (09:00); whether automation will increase inequality (23:00); what skills we'll need in the future (29:34); whether technological changes will be socially and political disruptive (32:05); why computing and automation hasn't had a larger effect on economic measures of productivity (35:12); what access to the internet is worth (37:10); where fears about AI come from (39:52); what consciousness and free will are (43:11); why Byron is optimistic about the future (53:08). As always, you can reach us at nonprophetspod.wordpress.com or at [email protected]. (recorded 5/2/2018)