Cuff and Mo catch up with one of the most colorful personalities in the cigar world, Leo Brown. The guys jump into how Leo actually got started smoking cigars during his time in the US Navy and how his curiosity about pairing cigars and drinks served as the basis for his company Barrels and Leafs. Brown, a Chicago native, talks about the importance of believing in yourself even when nobody else does. Leo also talks about some things he would like to see in the cigar industry and he even drops a special promo code for TVLP listeners. The guys wrap up with Leo telling us what we can expect from Barrels and Leaf in the future and what he would have told himself five years ago.