This is your one-time-only self-improvement-podcast-style episode, so enjoy it. Scott also talks about gay holiday discourse and Susan talks about how the 8 hours to do what you will often end up being usurped by dishes when you're a mom, so really an on-brand episode if you don't count the self-improvement-influencer vibes at the top.

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