Tearing Down High Places

EP 86 | Charlie Kirk’s Martyrdom: A Call to Bold Faith and Revival


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Podcast Summary:

The episode of “Tearing Down High Places,” hosted by Average Joe, Pastor Jeff, and Pastor Tim, is a poignant reflection on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a prominent conservative activist and Christian leader, on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University. The hosts express deep sorrow, offering prayers for Kirk’s wife, Erika, and their children, while celebrating his legacy as a bold defender of the Christian faith and worldview. They highlight Kirk’s work with Turning Point USA, his outreach on college campuses, and his fearless proclamation of the gospel, which inspired young people to embrace biblical truth over secular ideologies. Framing his death as a martyrdom, they draw parallels to biblical figures like Paul, urging Christians to respond with courage, engage in spiritual warfare, and continue Kirk’s mission by preaching the gospel on college campuses. The hosts call for a revival, encouraging pastors and believers to address cultural issues like abortion and secular humanism, hoping Kirk’s death ignites a movement to awaken the church.

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Okay, and three, two, one, and welcome to tearing down high places.

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My name is Average Joe, Pastor Jeff, Pastor Tim.

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Hey guys.

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Hey, greetings.

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The reason we’re on here is because Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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And I want to just start off by praying.

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Can everybody listening just pray for his family just for a few minutes?

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Father God, we just lift up Erica Kirk.

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We pray that you would comfort her as only you can do.

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We pray for these little precious kids, God, that you would just guard them and

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and be the father to them that they’ve lost now.

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Just fill it, fill that in.

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Not only come and rescue and comfort the time like this.

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We turn to you.

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We call on you and Lord, we just beg for your mercy in this situation.

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Jesus name Amen.

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Yeah, a lot of prayer today.

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This was rough.

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I didn’t feel I don’t think I felt this way for any public figure passing ever.

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Not for John McCartough recent.

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I wasn’t like, he wasn’t, I like John McCartough a lot.

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I don’t think I watched him more than a lot of others.

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But I mean, I still like he was very powerful and made big impacts and Christianity.

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But this guy, Charlie Kirk, I felt like he was going to make big impacts and Christianity.

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Not just in politics, but I mean like I watch him.

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I’ve seen him share the gospel.

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I shared a clip today that was him sharing the sufficiency of scripture and how you can trust the Bible.

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And I’m just like this.

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And a lot of people don’t know this.

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Maybe like I think a lot of Christians do, but maybe not Christians don’t.

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He was out there in these college campuses.

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He just he wasn’t just pushing Trumpism or Republicanism.

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He was showing people that we have a broken system and the answer is Jesus.

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He was.

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Joe, what you said right there, he was a generational talent.

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I don’t think there’s anybody else that has done what he has done by age 31.

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At least in our generation.

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I mean, turning point might have been one of the key ingredients to turning the last election

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because of the impact he had on the young people.

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It just incredible.

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The amount of influence he had at such a young age.

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At age 31, I wasn’t done being stupid yet.

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Let me tell you, I thought a lot of stupid in me.

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And yeah, I guess I guess got saved at 35.

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So that was the big twist there.

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But this guy, man, at age 31, he’s out there.

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And, you know, I don’t know that him being on these college campuses may, I mean, I think that’s brought him a lot of a lot of notoriety.

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But where he’s at right now, I don’t know that that was the most profitable for him to do.

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But obviously something he just loved to connect with young kids and get them to think.

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Because they’re in places that were supposed to learn how to think, but they’re not. They’re not learning that.

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He was changing the world the way he, the way he lived his life, what he believed, influenced the way he lived his life.

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And he became probably, I don’t even know if there’s been anyone really, we can’t really tell only God knows, but there might not even been anyone in the world right now more influential than Charlie Kirk.

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Everyone knows who Charlie Kirk is and you either love them or you hated him, but he spoke the truth.

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Amen.

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He preached the gospel and he preached the Christian worldview. So he applied it to all areas of life.

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So I’m looking at this from the perspective of God’s sovereignty. Why would God allow this? And obviously only God knows that.

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You know, this is not an area we don’t have access to God’s secret will. We do know that in his providence he’s working all things together for good for those who love him and are called according to his purpose.

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And I’m just thinking listen to this. World War One was started by an assassination.

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The assassination archduke Ferdinand.

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One assassination could change the whole world.

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And here’s what I want to see happen and I hope this is what God is doing that by the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk Christians rather than cowering in fear because what the left is trying to silence us.

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Trying to get us to be quiet.

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If Christians instead say the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church and we respond to this with courage and instead of having one Charlie Kirk it now inspires a million Charlie Kirk’s.

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Did you know that the name Kirk actually means church?

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And that is one of our people.

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Yes, even said that.

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And that’s true. I actually do that because Doug Wilson doesn’t call his church’s churches but Kirk’s.

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It comes from the Scottish.

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So I had known that but that’s an amazing thing because then attack on Charlie Kirk was an attack on the church.

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He is our brother. This is our fellow soldier, our brother. We love him and and they shot him. They killed him.

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And so the response of Christians has to be just like Philippians chapter one.

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When it says Paul said, I want you to know brothers that what has happened to me has really served to advance the gospel.

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It has become clear and known throughout the whole imperial guard to the rest that my imprisonment is for Christ.

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His suffering was for Christ. And then he said, most of the brothers having become confident in the Lord by my imprisonment are much more bold

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to speak the word without fear.

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Philippians 1, 12 to 14. So what I think needs to happen at this point in time is the entire church, the whole Kirk needs to step up and say, we will be more bold than ever.

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We will be more fearless than ever. We will be encouraged to go speak the word of God.

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So tomorrow Tim and I are going to roll in.

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Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. That’s what she should do. We should go to colleges and do what, do what Charlie did.

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Get out colleges. Get out to these young minds that are, they’re trying to figure out life.

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You know, and it’s fertile soil.

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And we’ve got to multiply. So Tim and I have been doing this, you know, during the school year, most weeks we go on Thursdays.

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I want to see all pastors do this. Every pastor has the ability that Charlie Kirk had, not his charisma and his intellect and memory and all of that.

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But the knowledge, the content of the gospel and the Christian world view.

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And they can go talk to one or two students and just be a Charlie Kirk on that campus.

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I think every pastor needs to put in that time because we’re losing the generation or we’re going to win them back.

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And Charlie Kirk was winning them back. The young men were coming to the church.

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There was an uprising through his work.

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Now you and Tim both have the ability to do that. And there’s a lot of good pastors.

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We know that have the ability to do that. But what a lot of pastors sadly can’t do is speak to how the gospel impacts the culture because they’ve ignored the culture for so long.

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They’ve ignored our history. They’ve ignored the facts. Some of the facts that we talk about all the time on here. Like we were a Christian nation that we were living off that we still are living off the bounty, the blessings from God upon our founders.

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And we’re squandering that right. So.

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So before a pastor goes to a college campus, they need to get their worldview straight. Right. You’re saying they need to come back to the full council of God. Paul talks. I think it was Acts chapter 20 when he’s giving his final sermon to the Ephesians. He said, you know, I did not hesitate but tell you the whole council of God.

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Mm. Passers need to be willing to talk about abortion. We need to speak against LGBTQ nonsense in the castration of children and feminism. They won’t talk about feminism.

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I love how you guys tie those all together to the same source, right? It’s a timeline, right? I mean, transgenerisms is the latest phase of this sexual depravity, the destruction of marriage, homosexuality, you know, and then it just it’s all coming from the same place of rejection of God’s design.

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Yeah, and to talk about those things actually leads into the gospel. You need to lead with law, talk about relevant things, and then find a way to bridge that into the good news that you can be forgiven for this.

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Unless you come to conviction of sin and repentance, you can’t have good news to have the forgiveness of that sin.

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What do I need good news for if I think everything’s good already?

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I gotta say that Charlie passing away, becoming a martyr, that motivates me. That makes me want to go to the Christian colleges and speak all the more boldly about the name above on heems, about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, how he has the power to save and tell these kids the truth because they’re not getting the truth that these college campuses.

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Charlie Kirk had to go on there and go to these college campuses to educate them because they weren’t getting good education. They were getting better education from Charlie Kirk going there for one day, then they were paying for their entire four years of school, eight years of school, whatever they were doing, they could have learned more in one day from Charlie Kirk.

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Yeah, you’re saying at the secular humanist universe at this at the secular humanist universities not the Christian colleges like Liberty, but yeah, the secular ones, you’re not learning a whole lot about life and wisdom and how to get the God. It was it would have been more valuable for the human soul to listen to an hour of Charlie Kirk than a whole semester of whatever they’re teaching.

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And the thing is Charlie Kirk was enrolled in college and he realized that what they’re doing is indoctrinating people into leftism. And so he actually dropped out of college. So people will make fun of them on the college campus like you don’t even have a college degree.

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What’s your point of coming here and saying our college degree isn’t worth anything. And he would point out it’s because yours is infected with the virus of secular humanism.

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And this leftist worldview that leads to death. I mean think about everything the left stands for abortion is the death of human beings in the womb.

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LGBTQ is getting people to be gay so they don’t procreate. The transgender thing is making them physically in a unable to ever procreate.

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Youth in Asia they stand for that they stand now for assassinating your political rivals. They shot Trump twice. They tried once to shoot him and one time they hit him.

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I mean it’s really this is another attempt on Trump though. I mean I really do think they they they haven’t been able to get to Trump and but they got to Charlie.

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Yeah, you know, Charlie I was just listening to different things today and I got no work done this afternoon. I you know and they said that Charlie Kirk had a big impact on picking a lot of Trump’s cabinet.

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And in fact, he’s the one that told him to bring in bands.

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I don’t know. I didn’t do it. You can somebody fact check me, but that’s what I heard. So yeah.

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Look, I this could be the turning point, you know, his his ministry, his organization is called turning point, but that’s got a faith arm to it.

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The turning point faith.

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But the whole thing is built on the Christian world view.

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The turning point movement is not going to stop when they kill the head. That’s where they miscalculated. They thought they cut it off by cutting off the talent.

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But now you’ve motivated millions of young people to go harder than ever. Turning point is only going to increase.

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And this could be turning point in our country.

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College campuses, if revival is going to happen, revival usually happens among the young. It usually starts at college campuses.

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The Jesus movement, you know, back in the 70s. This was amongst the young people. We’ve got to see a revival.

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And why not now? Why not let Charlie Kirk is the young people. They’re killing our young people.

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I mean, this is an example of them killing our young people. Our young are best and our brightest.

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You know, you look at all the disappointment in leadership across the planet, not just the US.

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And you look at a guy like Charlie Kirk, you’re like, hey, that’s a bright shining star. That guy’s got potential.

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He’s someone we could bring up. I mean, honestly, we talk about how great Trump’s policies are and all this stuff.

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And, you know, and there’s lots of warts and, you know, he’s he is the best we could get. And he is doing he’s doing some great stuff. So don’t hear what I’m not saying. Don’t don’t shoot me.

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But he’s not a moral guy. He doesn’t he doesn’t have like a he’s not he’s not a Charlie Kirk. Right. Right.

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100% and it’s so sad to think because he is so young. He was so talented. But he is more alive than ever right now because he gave his life to Jesus Christ. And he left an amazing legacy. It’s sad to know that his kids are not going to be able to grow up with him.

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But everyone should continue to pray for for Erica the kids. But it’s interesting because this is what Charlie tweeted out on on on X

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on September 6th. He said this Jesus defeated death so you can live. That was four days ago that he said that. So he

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he he went out as a martyr believing the truth believing in Jesus Christ and guess what he’s with Jesus right now and he finished strong. He was 31 years old. I thought the guy was like in his 40s because he works so hard and he’s been doing so much for so long. Like I didn’t know he was only six months over to me. That is amazing.

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Unbelievable. I’m just thank you God for for Charlie Kirk. I do I do pray that God raises up even more Charlie Kirk’s.

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So the big news coming into today was on the that bus in Charlotte and the poor girl was just terrorized by somebody behind her who just slashed her throat.

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And that was all people were talking about Charlie text or tweeted about that 18 hours ago and he said America will never be the same. He was referring to that as the watershed moment because people were waking up to the to how horrible the

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crime is and the fact that judges let that guy out so many times and refused to punish and discipline. So he felt like that was going to be a turning point. I wonder if his statement on Twitter wasn’t prophetic.

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Did you guys the turning point is now? Did you see did you see the actual video of the woman getting stabbed? I mean I tried to find it and every time I just see the guy going up with his knife like that and they don’t show it.

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And what the reason I bring that up to see if you guys saw it. So neither of you said because I couldn’t find it either. The media suppresses these horrible images and I think and but they they so far they haven’t suppressed the shot and Charlie’s neck. It’s absolutely grotesque. It is so worry. It is like it’s like a woman giving birth out the side of his neck. There’s so much blood. It’s horrible. It’s like a faucet. It’s horrible.

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And what I’m grateful that I saw it and I hope more people see it and it reminds me of like I always tell my wife to watch the passion of Christ and she can’t and she hates watching it. And I’m like we’ve got we can’t have compassion unless we can feel the pain and the suffering.

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Pain and suffering there’s purpose. There’s godly purpose in that and you know I think when we watch this kind of gourd in in in comedy or in movies as entertainment it desensitizes us but when we see real life somebody fallen down like that.

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Yeah, I mean now when we read the scriptures and it talks about blood we’ve got a whole different sense of of the meaning.

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Yeah, he was poured out like a drink offering and also be aware of the news that they might even desensitize this like there’s already I think people out there trying to say that

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Oh, was someone carrying a gun out of excitement shot it and it just happened to hit Charlie well stupid people who are

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Liberals are dying for a story like that to be true, but obviously we know it had to have been someone from the left who hated the truth,

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who hated God, who didn’t know the Lord that it a bullet just didn’t happen to hit Charlie Kirk out of thousands of people watching.

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That was someone who intently shot to kill.

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Completely.

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And it was a visible picture of evil.

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Yes.

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We need to remember that we are in a spiritual war and there is a such thing as evil.

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Shoot someone in cold blood and for people to see that you cannot deny that there’s evil in the world.

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But if there’s evil, that must mean it’s a deprivation of what’s good and godly.

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There is a god.

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And this is what America needs to wake up to that we’re in a spiritual war with spiritual powers and principalities in heavenly places.

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And so Christians need to put on the full armor of God, be prepared for the spiritual war and begin to pray and seek the Lord.

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Maybe something like this, what the devil meant for evil, God will use for good and teach us all to pray and be vigilant, to resist temptation, to be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might.

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And then go for preaching the gospel with courage and let them silence us with these evil acts because their evil can’t stop the truth.

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Greater is he who is in us than he was in the world.

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Amen. And you should be mourning even if you’re a liberal and someone who doesn’t believe in God.

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When you see a young guy like that who’s such a loving father to his kids, he’s someone son out there.

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It should move you. And if it doesn’t move you, maybe there’s something wrong with you and you need to call in the name of the Lord.

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I mean, we were walking around. We found out I was in Sam’s Club walking around my wife and my wife found out that Charlie died that he’s in heaven.

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And she was crying in the middle of Sam’s Club just walking around. That’s how big of an impact someone like Charlie had.

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We never met him. We never saw him person. We were planning to go see him in liberty when he was about to speak a number of months from now.

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We wanted to go see him. It’s just sad that we can’t go see him anymore.

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But we will meet him again one day in heaven for all of us who believe in the name of Jesus Christ.

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And I wanted to bring up what you were just talking about.

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It made me think about how liberals use their empathy and their feelings inaccurately.

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We have to use our feelings the way God intended them to actually care for people, not to use them selfishly to feel good only about our own deeds.

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And that’s kind of what these liberals do. When they suppress these grotesque videos about people like something like Charlie Kirk or that woman.

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You know, they’re, oh, that doesn’t make us feel good. Let’s throw that away. But no, our feelings sometimes are supposed to not make us feel good so that we are motivated to not allow evil to happen. Right.

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So if we pretend that evil doesn’t exist and we suppress these images and everyone thinks everything’s fine.

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Of course, nobody’s can be motivated to do any changes. Of course, nobody’s going to want to study history and find out how the heck did we get here?

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How do things get this way? Why are we stuck in this repetitive cycle?

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Joe, that is the best point because we on the right, we’re very logical, very analytical, and sometimes we don’t tap into the power of emotion.

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But I mentioned like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in World War I. It set the world ablaze because people were passionate about that, and it was going to have effect.

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Why can’t Christians be angry? Righteous people are angry. I’m angry that they killed my brother.

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And it’s motivating me with the righteous indignation, the way Jesus made a whip and drove the money changers out and turned over tables.

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I think every Christian needs to say, you know what? I’m not going to sit home on a Sunday morning. I’m going to come be part of the church. I’m going to come and worship the Lord and praise with all my heart and pray and get in this fight and be part of building a church that’s actually going to look.

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We just on Sunday had 12 baptisms. Nice. Down the short. And it was beautiful. We’re seeing the power of God. But that needs to be the tip of the iceberg. We need to see another Jesus movement.

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Right. We got to get those 12 out to the college campuses and and have them share the excitement that they’ve got about, you know, just just being baptized about being brought in as adopted children into God’s kingdom.

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You know, that’s.

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I think we got to get to college campuses, man, we got to get some, I mean, you can talk to like people my age till you’re blue in the face and they’re just they’re so hard and so hard and and they’re and they’re taught, especially they’re taught that it’s all about the personality.

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It’s not about your personality. It’s about the policies loving your neighbor is a policy. We’re going to love our neighbor. We’re going to stop stealing from our neighbor.

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We’re going to stop cutting off their kids’ genitals. We’re going to stop lying to their children. We’re going to stop certain things and then we’re going to do certain good things.

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Yeah, we’re going to do charity, but we’re not going to put it through the government so that it’s really just theft.

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We’re going to go out and we’re going to care for the sick. We’re going to see if we’re going to care for the poor. We’re going to help them get out of their situation.

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We’re not just going to throw money at them and let them off to nowhere. We kind of really love people.

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Charlie Kirk, I think that’s why he went to the college campuses because he was making a big impact.

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They always say some of the greatest people in history chose teaching because they could make the greatest impact.

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There was a guy that founded Princeton. I forget his name. What was his name? The log college. Jeff, you got to.

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I’m not sure. I know where their spoon was probably like the third or then Edwards came in as president. I don’t remember the founders name.

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So I think I don’t know. There’s some good stories, but I just, you know, it’s about education and about like what you can do in the future.

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And I think that’s that’s part of the sting of watching a guy like Charlie go down because you’re like, you know, how many

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stu-nods do we have out there that we try to train up, right? And then a guy like this, and I don’t know if stu-nods a bad word in the time. I just know it’s an Italian word that’s used in frustration.

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So if it’s bad word, well, sorry. Anyway, but the Charlie Kirk was a star. We just a star just went out.

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One of God’s stars. And to his glory, we’re celebrating what he did. But we’re sad because I thought he’s going to do a lot more. I thought he could have been president. He really could have been.

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He was poor as well.

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As Tim said, Paul said, even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad.

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So Paul was beheaded. And the result of that, the blood of the martyrs is the seat of the church. The church cop fired. They kept preaching. They refused to be silent. And so that’s where we’re at at this moment.

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In Acts chapter 12, remember how they killed James and then they arrested Peter and they were going to kill Peter too.

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But the church got together and really started praying, which resulted in a miraculous, miraculous deliverance for Peter.

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And then the gospel increased, it says, and multiplied by the end of chapter 12. So that’s what we need to see happen. Maybe the next head of turning point is going to be someone like Baron Trump.

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Who knows? And they’re going to kill him too, but we’re going to pray and he’ll be like Peter, he’ll be delivered. Who knows what’s going to happen? But this war is not over.

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This is a shot across the bow. They killed one of our own, but they couldn’t take his life because Jesus said he is the resurrection of life.

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And someone dies, they’re actually just transitioning right into glory. They couldn’t take him. He’s in glory and we’re left here for the rest of the battle.

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So let’s let’s get back in that battles, what I’m saying.

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I got to ask you something before before before I lose it in my head, right?

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So appease me here. Pretend I’m Donald Trump. All right.

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I’m you know, I’m a worldview squadder for sure at a minimum. I like the Christian worldview.

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I don’t necessarily have theological convictions, but I’ve been talking to this guy Charlie Kirk.

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And he helped me pick my cabinet. He helped me pick my VEEP. That was a great choice. That helped me get elected.

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In fact, I probably think that Charlie Kirk was instrumental in me getting elected.

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But I’m squishy. I’m not really one, I got one foot into Christian stuff and one foot out.

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So I come to you Jeff and I say, help me understand why God took Charlie.

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What would you tell Donald Trump?

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That’s a great question, Joe. I would tell him that God moves in mysterious ways.

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I would say that we don’t have access to the secret decree.

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Joe never got to know why Job suffered.

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But God works all things together for good according to his pleasure, his will.

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And one of the things he’s accomplishing on earth at all times is glorifying the Sun.

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So if Charlie Kirk could die as a martyr and his funeral will be viewed by a hundred million people plus.

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And the gospel will be preached.

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I don’t know who they’re going to get.

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Jack Hibbs or Gary Hammrich or Amir Safari or who are they going to bring in to preach this funeral.

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But that man needs to preach Christ and him crucified.

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And when people hear this gospel message and they believe, yes, one soul, Charlie has gone into glory.

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And we’re going to lament that and there’s so much pain and suffering left behind.

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His family, all of us around the world.

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We lost one of our generals, one of our key leaders in the fight.

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But God has bigger purposes than anything of this world.

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And we’re only asking through.

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And I would tell Donald Trump, stop believing parts of the Bible and believe the whole thing.

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Let Charlie Kirk be an example to you of someone who actually believed.

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Life begins at conception, not at some heartbeat or some place in the pregnancy, at conception.

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And argue those points as Charlie Kirk did, bring Donald Trump and the entire conservative movement, the truth, back to the Bible.

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Maybe Charlie Kirk died so that we would come fully back to the Bible.

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I don’t know.

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I would say I don’t know why God did it.

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But I said I would tell him that God has bigger and better plans than anything we could have asked thought or imagined.

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And Donald Trump, it was better for his sake that it was Charlie Kirk because Charlie we know with almost absolute certainty that he was a believer and is in the presence of the Lord.

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We can’t say that with absolute certainty that Donald Trump would have been in heaven and maybe the bullet nipped his ear and he still kept alive because the Lord is still showing him grace that he might repent giving him.

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Yeah, Charlie didn’t need to repent. He already repented and put his faith in Jesus Christ.

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That’s really great.

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Let’s go grab this up.

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So to the listener, let this be a call to repentance and faith.

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Let this be a wake up call. Let it be motivation to your soul that this could be the beginning of a revival.

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But every one of us has to go all in. I mean, Charlie Kirk was putting in how many hours a week.

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Now, he did take Saturdays as a Sabbath, completely devoted to his family, put his phone away, didn’t even work a little bit on Saturdays.

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So he could be present with his family. Why don’t we be present like that with our families?

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Why don’t we put in the effort to go to every college campus that we can get to?

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Oxford and Cambridge and Utah Valley, who’s ever heard of wherever this was.

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Wherever we have an opportunity, what’s close to us?

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Each one of us has a college campus close to us. Let’s go finish the work that Charlie Kirk started.

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Hey, man. That sounds great. Let’s do it.

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All right, guys. Well, you see a brother down. Lift him up.

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See you, high place. Turn it down.

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