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Utah based Acheologist/Artist Ben Sang and Biologist/Artist Hudson Kendall talk about their projects Final Hot Desert and i8i, growing up in Mormanism, alternative economies, the synthesis of nature and microplastics, idol creation,  the ontology of the oil and gas industry, the iphone as a ritualistic mirror, the internet: a book that hasnt been written, infinate repeating heavens because utopia is hell, cyclonopedia, austin osman spare, controlling how demons function, the unconcious need to develope notions of good evil, conciousness being an evolutionary mistake, the big mess of decay, only through catastrophism can we be shaped, we don't know where conciousness goes, accepting infinity, and bodies becoming smashed into dust.

Happy December, and Thank You For Listening 

Music by i8i