Episode 89, this is the big collaboration we have been waiting for. Chris and Jay catch up with Alain Pozo and Scott Johnson, hosts of The Reef Podcast. Alain gives us an insight into what it was like training BJJ in the old days, life in Brazil and some of the more curious experiences you have as a NAGA referee. Scott gives fills us in on his BJJ origin story and shares some of their experiences starting a JiuJitsu podcast and Chris and Jay do their normal thing. So, how was our first visit to The Reef? We think you’ll agree, it was Better Than Average.