As we close-out of our first year of doc'in & walkin' it's time to take stock in what this podcast is all about. We're excited to welcome self-proclaimed number one fan and Australian-born doc-maker, Sally O'Grady for a year-end, Year in Review episode. This nature-walk snakes through the wilderness behind Sally's North Austin home as Ben intros us to a game of "High, Low, Buffalo, Mitzvah" (a Steinbauer family dinner game) and a chance to reflect on the ups, downs, weird little moments and the true mitzvahs of our first 33 episodes. We'll catch up with some favorite Doc Walks bits, dig into what's working, get schooled on our Bechdel Test failures (eight women out of 33 guests—Sally came with receipts), and navigate the eternal tension between preparation and off-the-cuff authenticity. And Sally shares her 10-year journey making THE TROUBLE I SEE, a film about incarcerated fathers and their daughters, premiering at AFS Cinema on January 14th (tix on sale now!)

Along the way: a surprise encounter with an 86-year-old Vietnamese general-turned-crossing guard, a sit-down at Sally's Pond™, and a chance to commune with a magnificent blue heron who refuses to fly. Through the highs, the lows, the birds and the buffaloes, every step we've taken together in 2025 has been a mitzvah… happy holidays to you, and thanks for walking this road with us!

Discussion Links

THE TROUBLE I SEE (2025) | WINNEBAGO MAN (2010) | TOWER (2016) | HIGH HOPES (2024) | PEEWEE PLAYS HIMSELF (2025)

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Sally O'Grady arrives 01:05 Sally as "number one fan" and Doc Walks origin story 02:00 Discovering Copperfield Nature Trail in northeast Austin 03:00 Sally's journey from Sydney to New York to Austin 05:00 Year one reflections and holiday episode setup 06:30 Do Ben-and-Keith-only episodes work? Sally weighs in 08:30 "Gardener Not a Carpenter" and useful documentary wisdom 10:00 Ben's vulnerability about prep vs. free-jazz conversations 11:00 Keith on wanting episodes to feel more like real conversations 13:00 The magnificent blue-painted live oak 14:30 High-Low-Buffalo-Mitzvah game explained 16:00 Sally's HIGH: Diane Quon's sensitive interview and Megan Gilbride's "make fucking cinema" 18:00 The title debate: why "Make Fucking Cinema" got vetoed 20:30 Keith's HIGH: Matt Wolf episode and overcoming fears about solo Ben episodes 23:30 Ben's HIGH: Celebrating Maureen Gosling and Les Blank's legacy 26:00 Sally's LOW: The Bechdel Test reality check (8 women out of 33 guests) 28:30 Ben and Keith respond to diversity critique 31:00 Ben's LOW: The off-camera conflict moment with Keith 34:30 Keith's LOW: Wanting guests to recognize them as fellow filmmakers 38:30 Buffalo: Matt Wolf's vanity and Ben's "tugboat" gaffe 40:00 Keith's Buffalo: Birds and describing the world 42:00 Ben's Buffalo: Embracing new formats amid industry change 43:30 Meeting Sally's neighbor Bowie, the 86-year-old Vietnamese general 46:30 Keith's mitzvah and development deal announcement 47:00 The blue heron finally appears 50:00 Sally's film THE TROUBLE I SEE and 10-year journey 54:00 Working with editor Sandra Guardado 57:30 Sally's next project: MA'AM and scammers targeting women therapists 1:01:00 Closing reflections and 2026 preview