This week we experiment with a new show format. Kevin is in studio for the first time along with Cros, Chris, and Jen. We revisit our friend Sheamus McKillian. He might be the worst podcaster ever. But in his defense, podcasting is still relatively new.

There's no Dave Landau on the show this week. In case you were wondering. He's not on it.

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