Jony Ive and Marc Newson have made their mark with the interior of the new Ferrari Luce. The response has been predictably immediate and intense.

Some see a revolutionary rethinking of how electric cars should feel. 

Others see a perfectly resolved collection of beautiful objects that nonetheless miss what a Ferrari should be all about

What does this interior say about how we design cars, and the relationship between industrial and automotive designers and car culture? 

And what's the difference between "good" design and character?

Drew and Joe unpack the debates that the Luce has sparked—and discover that, whether you like it or not, there's far more to talk about than meets the eye.

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