In this episode of Bombardened, Eric and Amy sit down with Staci James—visionary leader, advocate for sensible drug policy and overdose awareness, and Executive Director of Hope Movement Coalition. What begins as a spirited debate between Eric and Amy about whether jail bookings actually serve as a deterrent, quickly deepens into a conversation about dignity, disruption, and the broken systems surrounding addiction.

Staci brings a powerful voice to the table—one grounded in the loss of her beloved son to Fentanyl and frontline experience in the path forward after devastating loss. She discusses the impact to family and friends, the pointlessness of these deaths and the purpose she’s found in being there for others.  She acknowledges the guilt felt by those left behind. She explains the stigma, shame and sense of responsibility often assumed by survivors. With clarity and conviction, she challenges old assumptions and makes the case for a new way forward: one where intervention doesn't end with a jail cell, but begins there.

Together, the Bardens and Staci unpack the tension between law enforcement, public perception, and political pressure—especially in a world that often flips its stance on justice overnight. This episode asks hard questions about deterrence, redemption, and what truly helps someone break the cycle.If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to find purpose in tragedy, this conversation will challenge your thinking.