Today Jacqueline Hollows and I set out to talk about the work that she does with prisoners and the difference this conversation can make for those who are living in what many of us imagine would be one of the worst possible environments.

And instead, we ended up going somewhere completely different - and incredibly touching.

Was it a disaster that the call didn't go as we expected? No. And this podcast explains how life shows us how it rarely goes as planned and always takes us somewhere beautiful.