In this special episode Sam and Rachel invite their Aunt Trish, a fellow Swiggie and self proclaimed Boomer listener, onto the podcast to discuss “Evermore” from the album of the same name. Rachel made a point to remind everyone she was staring out a window at the beach while Sam and Trish were catching their death in the wildest winter. They share differing perspectives on the complicated lyrics but in the end, whether weather be the frost or violence of dog days, they agree this is one of the finest songs about hope in the state of depression. They only wish the recording could have gone on forevermore.