From Pagosa Springs, CO, with Randall Carlson and Grimerica. We spent an amazing ten days at the Elk Lake Lodge, having fascinating conversations, going on hikes, exploring the wilderness, visiting Chimney Rock and Mesa Verde, looking at mysterious ancient ruins, having our minds blown by Randall's fantastic presentations, jammin' live music, looking for UFOs, getting snowed on, visiting the hot springs, and much more. It was magical and amazing. In between all of that it was hard to find time to podcast, but we did it, and even managed to get everyone down into the podcast room for a big roundtable, which you will hear on this episode, plus some audio from Randall's presentation on Lake Nipigon, ice age catastrophes, and possible future expeditions.