Welcome to Sake & Hot Tubs with Fred and Lisa. Where big ideas start small, just like conversations shared over a glass of sake and a soak in the hot tub.

This isn't just another real estate podcast. We've created our own incubator of inspiration. A space where guests can step away from the noise, relax, and explore their next idea, whether that's in business, community, or personal growth.

So, pull up a chair, pour a glass, and let's dive in. Because in this hot tub, ideas don't just float, they take shape.