In this episode Matt and I talk with Jim Higginbotham, Associate Professor of Pastoral Care at ESR. Jim earned an M.Div. from Vanderbilt Divinity School in 1983, an M.S. from Loyola College of Maryland in 1990, and his Ph.D. from Vanderbilt University in 2005. Jim has been on the faculty of ESR since 2005 and teaches courses related to pastoral care. You can engage with Jim through his Academia.edu and LinkedIn pages. Our conversation took place on May 1st, 2017 in the Barclay Center of ESR.