Leon Kass of the University of Chicago and Shalem College talks with Tom and Sarah about his new book Founding God's Nation: Reading Exodus. We discuss the difference between Egypt and Israel and the meaning of the plagues. We also talk about the seminar as a ritual or form and the meaning of the seminar table. We conclude with a discussion of why the Hebrew Bible should be part of a program of liberal education.

Founding God's Nation: Reading Exodus.

The Beginning of Wisdom: Reading Genesis.