In this conversation, Andre Darmanin and Amri Johnson discuss various topics related to DEI and organizational change. They explore trends and reactions in the field, the role of DEI within organizations, the effectiveness of Employee Resource Groups (ERGs), the importance of cultural intelligence, and the need to address class and social mobility in DEI efforts. The conversation explores the intersection of class and identity politics, emphasizing the need to understand class disparities and create solidarity among marginalized groups. It also delves into the role of AI in shaping organizations and the importance of responsible implementation. The overarching theme is choosing humanity in shaping the future, with a focus on being less wrong and prioritizing human intuition and sense-making.