Founder of Black Voices On The Hill, Daniel James, joins Nay this week to discuss Black Excellence.

Black Excellence can be defined differently by many, but generally is used to describe Black people who "make it to the top" of the institutions that were not made for us.

But is Black Excellence *sometimes* synonymous with getting closer to whiteness?

If you are ready to question what you view as "excellence" and why, listen to this episode. Daniel and Nay draw on their personal experiences and hint at the importance of redefining Black Excellence.

How are you contributing to systems of oppression by wanting to achieve Black Excellence? We may all be guilty!