Deeper Dive with Dara Kam

Episode 118: Never Trumper "Mac" Stipanovich Dissects MAGA


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John "Mac" Stipanovich, a veteran Republican party operative, left the GOP years ago because he considered President-elect Donald Trump to be an "existential threat" to democracy. The erudite Vietnam vet returns to Deeper Dive this week to dissect the MAGA movement. Mac and Dara have a LIVELY discussion about feminism, liberal autocracy, and so much more. Mac called Dara after the show wrapped to add an extra history lesson, quoting from the Greek philosopher Thucydides: "The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."

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