In this conversation, Phil tells me about his persona journey with mental health and what brought him to run the Pieterpad in Holland, where he lives, to raise funds and awareness for a charity called MIND.

Phil tells me about his growing up between the UK and the Netherlands, about PhD and working in a butcher and the mental health system in Holland.

The Pieterpad is a trail from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieterburen (Pieterburen), in the northern part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_(province) (Groningen), south through the eastern part of the Netherlands to end just south of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht (Maastricht).

You can find out more about Phil on https://www.instagram.com/pjbream/?hl=en (Instagram)

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Phil's music choice

Foo Fighters - Everlong

Chris Cornell - Imagine

Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing

Phil's book choice

Stephen King - Misery

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