Jon O’Gorman hosts David Stone, Timothy Hoyt, and James Holmes to discuss contemporary challenges in the strategic environment. They discuss the challenges of China as a proper pacing threat, what challenges both China and the U.S. have over Taiwan and what our naval theorists, Mahan and Corbett might say about them. The discussion then shifts to Ukraine and Russia as a compare and contrast of strategic problem sets. They also look at Clausewitz’s concept of Value of the Object for both Taiwan and Ukraine for the American People.