In this episode of Leader Chat, Jeff engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Harvard educators Houman Harouni and Joe Pinto. They share insights on transformative leadership, adaptive change, and the important role of discomfort in the learning process. The conversation highlights their innovative approach to leadership development and explores how experiences of failure and moral complexity can help shape better leaders. As the first part of a two-part series, this episode offers valuable lessons for leaders in any role.