Aaron and Seamus discuss Ola Tunander’s seminal essay, “Democratic State vs. Deep State: Approaching the Dual State of the West.” The piece was included in the anthology Government of the Shadows: Parapolitics and Criminal Sovereignty in 2009. This episode is the second part of our Parafascism and the Deep State series focusing on classic works by Peter Dale Scott and Ola Tunander. Future episodes will include Scott and Tunander themselves.

Special thanks to Seamus McGuinness for producing the episode!

Music: “Roll Your Eyes” by Mock Orange