This episode is another swapcast with David Sanchez from Havok, who is also the creator and brains behind the Riffs or Die podcast. This follow up swapcast is centered heavily around David's questions for Jon concerning his experience working in hospitals around the country this past year and dealing with a lot of Covid issues. If nothing else, hopefully this episode will keep you thinking for yourself and continue to inspire you to do your own research on many issues we face as a society. If you haven't, check out Havok on most streaming platforms and for David's podcast, head to www.riffsordie.com!